Robert Stanley Interviews Wes Penre

This interview took place on Friday, Sep. 2, 2016.
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Robert Stanley, UNICUS
Wes Penre

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UNICUS: I suspect there was an important moment, or moments, of clarity that caused you to see beyond your research as the editor of Illuminati News to the bigger picture regarding humanity’s hidden history. What was it that inspired you to devote so much time and energy to researching and writing the Wes Penre Papers and exposing the Alien Agenda in such dramatic detail?

WES PENRE: I posted the first articles on the web site in 1998. Since then, it’s been an amazing journey all the way up to now [July 2016]. And when I look back, I am surprised to see how seamlessly one learning lesson has led to another. I knew some about the ET situation already when I began editing Illuminati News, and I dedicated a section to that topic, but I was just in the beginning stages of learning about the truly amazing complexity of what we’re facing with the ET issue.

To answer your question, the turning point came when I found two essays online, co-written by Dr. A.R. Bordon, a retired quantum physicist (now deceased), who together with a few other scientists formed the “Life Physics Group California” to explore and expose the ET issue—more specifically, the “Anunnaki issue.” I posted these two essays on my blog and they are still there. One is named “The Link” and the other is named “Between the Devil and the Returning Rock“.

Shortly after publishing these two essays, I was contacted by Dr. Bordon, who thanked me for posting them. He wanted them distributed as broadly as possible, and I had a fair number of visitors to my web site. Dr. Bordon and I began to communicate, and I learned that he and his group of quantum scientists apparently were in physical contact with some of the “Anunnaki,” whom I most commonly call the “Alien Invader Force” (AIF) in my papers and in my new book:

I learned a lot from my discussions with Dr. Bordon, and some of it was used to create the “Wes Penre Papers—The First Level of Learning.” This had a lot to do with the “Anunnaki issue,” as Dr. Bordon sometimes called it. I had read Zecharia Sitchin years before that, but when I started digging deeper into ancient mythology, I found a totally different story emerging than the one Sitchin had given us in his “Earth Chronicle Series.” Therefore, one major catalyst that made me look deeper into this subject was my discussions with Dr. Bordon. Our conversations inspired me to begin to seriously research the “Anunnaki enigma.”

The Second through Fifth Level of Learning in my Papers are the results of my diving deeply into the ancient texts that are available to us. I was analyzing and then reanalyzing them and reaching some interesting conclusions. I found that there are hidden stories within the stories, and that the real connections could not be made until these subtle stories, hidden in plain sight, were found. The ancient texts were often dictated to a scribe by the “gods” themselves (the AIF), so the AIF decided what was going to become our history and what was to be excluded (and or altered). It’s a trademark of the gods that they want to hide the truth in plain sight (the Global Elite do the same thing). You have to be willing to look at what is really there below the surface, and not focus only on what is obviously on the surface, in order to get a more complete story.

UNICUS: Well, I found that your five Wes Penre Papers contain a comprehensive account of a very complex history of our Creation and the corruption that took place after a civil war in Orion began, and it is still going on. Your diligent research helped me fill in some blank spots in my quest for answers, which I am very grateful for. You have published an amazing amount of research material on the Internet, which must have taken a lot of time and effort, and it’s all free. Why is that?

WES PENRE: Since I was a little kid, I have always been very curious about things that have to do with what we cannot see, hear, touch, smell and taste. I “knew” that there was more to existence than what I was experiencing here on Earth. From the third to sixth grade, I often went to the library after school and studied astronomy and other interesting topics. I could sit for hours in the library just looking at pictures of planets, stars, and galaxies and learn about their distance in light-years, which Spectral Class certain stars were in, according to the Hertzsprung-Russell Diagram, etc. I thought it was mind-blowing, and perhaps most of all, I found the Universe immensely beautiful and mysterious.

Throughout my life, I have almost always researched one thing or another–things we never learned in school. When the Internet came along, and I could afford my first personal computer in 1998, I saw the opportunity to share with others what I’ve learned. This was something I had always wanted to do, but up to that point hadn’t had the chance. I began to realize that what I was looking into was very important–not only for me, but for everybody. I couldn’t just sit there with all that information and not share it. Therefore, I created my first website, the Illuminati News, and I went on from there. The more I learned, the more passionate I became about sharing information and insights.

Although it’s very hard work (I’ve spent countless early mornings doing research and writing before going to my regular job), but when I see the response I get from my readers, it really encourages me to keep doing this. I could probably make some money out of this, which I perhaps would be entitled to because I have been doing this without getting paid (in fact, it costs me money to do it), but I can’t justify charging for information that should have been free in the first place if it hadn’t been covered up by the “authorities.” Moreover, if I decided to charge for it, fewer people would read it because not everybody has the means to pay for things they read on the Internet. I want everybody who has a connection to the Internet to be able to read what I publish, whether they are rich or poor.

I will probably continue doing this as long as my body/mind/spirit hold up, and I anticipate that will be for many years to come. But in order to do this, one has to have a passion for it. Without that passion, you can’t work at this pace for a very long time.

UNICUS: I know what you mean. I also know that no matter how well you communicate what you learned about the Alien Agenda and its effects on mankind, it’s all a bit complicated for some people to follow.

You once told me that there are actually only a small cast of characters known by many different names. If possible, can you summarize who’s who in all this?

WES PENRE: There is no doubt that there were many different “gods” here in ancient times. However, only a few are actually mentioned and named in the old Hindu, Sumerian and Babylonian scriptures, as well as the Egyptian, Roman and Greek records.

Their names (which are really often titles) are many, but when we begin to research this, we realize that most of these names correspond to the same few beings. And sometimes, Marduk, and Ereshkigal hijacked the names of known leaders to otherwise discredit the Queen of the Stars and King En.lil (Sr.), who have little to do with the agenda that, Marduk, and Ereshkigal set up here on Earth. Here are a few examples off the top of my head to illustrate how a few beings share a number of different names:

Queen of the Stars, (’s and Ninurta’s mother and En.lil Senior’s consort): a.k.a. Mother Goddess, Ninhursag, Nammu, Ma, Orion Queen, Nin, Ninmah, Artemis, Sophia (Earth in the Gnostic texts), Hera, Diana, Antu, Gaia (Earth).

King En.lil Sr., (’s and Ninurta’s stepfather): a.k.a. Anu/An, Oceanus, Geb, Uranus, God of the Hunt (Orion).

Prince, (son of the Queen of Orion, brother of En.lil Jr.): a.k.a. Ea, Sin, Nannar, Osiris, Ptah, Zeus, Thoth, Quetzalcoatl, Loki, Ningishzidda, Nergal (King of the Underworld/Hell), Poseidon, Neptune, Mercury, Oannes, Saturn (after the Invasion. Saturn used to be Ninurta/Prince En.lil), Hermes, Krishna, Vishnu.

Marduk, (son of a.k.a. Amon Ra, Zeus (sometimes), Jupiter, Mars, Apollo, Shiva, Horus, AST-AR (Ashtar).

Prince En.lil Jr., (son of the Queen of Orion, brother of a.k.a. Ninurta, Saturn (before the Invasion).

Isis, (En.lil Jr.’s daughter): a.k.a. (Ishtar, Inanna, Hathor, Venus).

Ereshkigal, (Queen of the Underworld/Hell, Isis’ sister): a.k.a. Hera (a name hijacked from Mother Goddess, Queen of the Stars), Irkalla, Hel in Norse mythology.

How I came to these conclusions is too complex to go into here, but I have thoroughly referenced and cross-referenced my research in the Wes Penre Papers, Level IV-V

The seven beings mentioned above are the only beings I’ve encountered in the ancient texts that I’ve studied so far. However, the names I have not mentioned here can in one way or another be traced back to any of the above beings, as far as I’ve seen.

UNICUS: Thank you for providing the names of some of the key players in this cosmic passion play. My understanding is that in the Annunaki empire, the more powerful/important a person is the more names/titles they have (60 or more). Unfortunately, this makes it difficult for people of earth to know who’s who among the “gods.” A simple example of this on earth is Hermes Trismegistus (Thrice Great). He is called that because he was given different names by three separate earth cultures: Thoth/Hermes/Mercury.

It is a matter of public record that a minority of people on our planet claim to have had contact with alien/ET entities. Some people report being abducted and returned by these entities relatively intact. However, based on the investigative research and reporting of David Paulides (Missing 411), many people have vanished under very strange circumstances without leaving any trace and they are never seen or heard from again. During your years of extensive research and analysis, have you found any information re. alien abductions related to the Annunaki?

WES PENRE: In more recent time, it seems the abductions people experience are conducted either by the Military or they are joint abductions by the Military and the AIF/Anunnaki. Since the founding of America, we are living in the New Atlantis, and at least for the last 60 years, give or take, the Military is behind most of the abductions of both humans and animals for genetic experimentation/manipulation. Whistleblowers have told us of horrific experiments going on in underground facilities–not only here in the U.S., but all over the world (and it extends to the underground bases on Mars, as well—Mars being an ancient AIF genetic engineering center).

The Military has created clones, experimental creatures who literally look like something “out of this world,” artificial intelligence, androids and much more. As I wrote extensively about in my new book, the goal of the Military right now is to fulfill the goal of “Singularity,” where humans become cyborgs connected to a central Super Brain Computer (SBC). They also want to create super soldiers—a cloned army, where the soldiers are half machines/half humans—to be able to complete “supernatural tasks” that our biological bodies and minds can’t accomplish in our current state.

Thus, there are many reasons behind the abductions. People who come back have often been given screen memories of different alien races that allegedly abducted them and harshly and horrifically experimented on them without anesthesia, when it could just as well have been branches of the Military—most likely the Navy (not so much the Air Force, which would otherwise seem more logical). However, on some occasions, there HAVE been AIF abductions as well. There are certain soul agreements made in the astral between human souls and the AIF that in the next lifetime, a certain soul/mind/body complex agrees to be abducted by the AIF themselves. This way, the AIF can swear themselves free from guilt; after all, the human “allowed” the abduction (although they probably won’t remember it in their human incarnation). As I have reported extensively, the manipulation of mankind by the AIF continues in the so-called “Afterlife.”

The Military Industrial Complex (MIC) has the technology to abduct people and make them vanish from the face of the Earth. Many of them are taken off-planet and tampered with. It has been reported that the latest abductions consist primarily of young males of certain bloodlines that the AIF have monitored for generations, and now the DNA and the sperms are being extracted from selected members of these bloodlines (and the abductees don’t necessarily have to be of the Illuminati genepools). Witnesses have declared that people have disappeared into “thin air” right in front of them, in a public area, never to be seen again. I have encountered information claiming that the sperm of these males is used to create a cloned army to fight space wars both for the Military Industrial Complex (MIC) and the AIF. They are secretly creating hybrid super soldiers to serve in the ongoing galactic civil war that started and plans to win with our help.

The AIF is not behind as many abductions as one would think–they let humans take care of it for them. In the distant past, abductions were more often done by the AIF. Also, people need to realize that the AIF Overlords are the only alien entities that are directly interfering with us and our planet at this point, but they consist of different interdimensional species working together. They often play the roles of the bad and the good guys to keep polarity intact (polarity and separation are basically what keep this 3-D hologram together), and they often deceive us so that we think some of them are benevolent toward us.

This group of ETs are probably deceiving 90% or more of the so-called UFO research community. However, there are some exceptions regarding other neutral ET entities that are highly interdimensional beings, who observe at a “distance” what is happening on Earth. They don’t intervene, except on very rare occasions, and when they do, they strictly follow the Law of Free Will. I have found that there are no “good aliens” trying to contact humanity at large to lead us toward Total Freedom. Be particularly suspicious if you hear that ET technology is going to help us live a better life or take us to the stars—that is just more Overlord deception.

There are those seemingly working hard to have zero-point energy released to the public, i.e. free energy and an “easy” way to space travel that will take us to the stars (which stars… the ones in’s hologram?). This will ancient technology will probably be released quite soon, but NOT because certain people have been lobbying for it. It will become reality for us because the Overlords need to release this information anyway, in order to plan for their future agenda; it’s time for humanity to get this information soon, but it’s not for the good of humankind. Our future is dictated by the AIF agenda, which is unknown to most humans here on earth.

It bothers me when prominent people in the alternative field tell us that all aliens are good and should be welcomed and embraced. These people are either very naïve, or they know exactly what they are doing, if you get the drift. It’s all deception, and the AIF plays both roles –the good cop and the bad cop. This is their realm because they created the hologram we live in, which is the physical universe we experience with our 5 senses. Our real realm, our true home, is “outside”’s illusionary empire… and it is called the KHAA or the VOID. I would go so far as to argue that everything that is made out of atoms is’s hologram and is therefore part of the trap. The real Universe is the VOID (dark matter/energy) between the atoms! The spiritual universe, which is us, and the unlimited creations we are capable of manifesting, does not consist of atoms, electrons, neutrons, and positrons, etc.

This is tough information to take in, but I would be a hypocrite if I said anything different. This is the reality we all must face, but it doesn’t mean there are no soulutions. An immediate thing an abductee can do is to energetically nullify any previous agreements that might have been made with the AIF and their subordinates. Because it’s often difficult to know if the abduction is Military or ET in nature (or both), I would take the following action regardless, if I were an abductee (even if it’s the Military, in many cases they follow orders from the Overlords and the high level Military is told whom to abduct. However, this is not always the case).

Condition your personal space by first grounding yourself thoroughly as described on this page:

Next, imagine a solid bubble around yourself and another one around the house/apartment you live in. Then either say out loud or think the following (it doesn’t matter which, as long as the intention is very clear and sincere):

“I cancel any and all agreements I may have with those who think they have the right to abduct me. I don’t allow anyone, anywhere, at any time, to ever abduct me again. From here on, an abduction of my person will be a direct violation of the Law of Free Will!”

An abductee may need to repeat this every night, and perhaps even twice a day for some time, until the forces conducting the abductions take the abductee seriously. They may, or may not take that person again, but if the abductee continues to insist on their right not to be abducted and experimented on, the abductors will eventually take the abductee seriously and leave them alone. But the abductee has to condition their personal space as a part of their daily routine, with clear/focused intention. It’s not enough to just casually think it.

Once the abductions stop, it’s time to release the trauma. This can often be done to a large extent when the abductee not only forgives themselves for having made the agreement with their abductors (directly or indirectly—it doesn’t matter), but also forgives their abductors. Many people who read this will object and say that these people/beings don’t deserve to be forgiven, but the point I’m making is that the abductee needs to forgive the perpetrators in their own mind in order to create closure and move on with their life. Of course the perpetrators still need to come to terms with what they have done, but that is their process, not the abductee’s. If the abductee does this – and really means it – a large burden should be lifted from their shoulder.

UNICUS: I understand that alien abductions are a very sensitive subject. Thank you for addressing this issue. I hope the abductees, and their families, can find closure on this someday. And I hope the criminals behind it are brought to justice.

Are you familiar with the crystal skulls? If so, who do you think created them and why?

WES PENRE: The first skull was found in the 1920s on an ancient Mayan site in the Yucatan by a British expedition: Of course, this skull, as well as other skulls in this series of crystal skulls, are physical—at least on one level. This means that the skulls we can touch and see cannot be older than approximately a couple of hundred-thousand years, the way we look at linear time, because the physical universe as we know it, which was artificially created by, is not older than that. This was about the time when implanted the hologram in our physical and astral bodies that make us stuck in what we call 3-D.

I don’t know how old these skulls are, but Anna Mitchell-Hedges, the archaeologist who found the first skull (see link above), said that she thought it is much older than the Mayan culture. One thing we can say with some certainty, (if the skull really is from the Mayan culture and the rest of the skulls are from the same time period), the Skulls were created by and his team, i.e. the Alien Invader Force (AIF). The word “Maya” originates from the Pleiadian star Maia, and as the reader of my papers know, the Pleiades (the Constellation of Taurus) is basically’s residence in this sector of the Universe. The early Mayan civilization was run by himself. And to the Aryans of India, the term Maya means “illusion,” which is another reference to’s artificial universe.

People who have had a skull in their possession for a while tell us that it has healing abilities, but it also “communicates” telepathically with sensitive people; similar to a crystal ball that a psychic Gypsy looks into. The skull tells the story of a very ancient past; often from the beginning of earth time, when continents were formed, etc. Allegedly, it also shows pictures of many ancient sites and of UFOs and other “paranormal” phenomena. Therefore, the skulls seem to be another “device of the gods,” similar to the so-called MEs in Sumerian records, which were advanced technology (most likely quantum computers) made of artificially-grown nano crystals. It appears as if the skulls are keeping records of Earth’s entire history from beginning to end, and that they also have healing capacities.

It makes me wonder; if these skulls are’s creations, why did he leave them here, and why do they have healing capabilities? Well, we can only speculate, because we don’t know for sure. Native American Indian legends tell us that humans were using these skulls for healing, but for other reasons, too. According to the Indians, these were communication devices between humans and the gods (the AIF) across the dimensions. It appears as if humans, such as the Mayans and others, used them while the gods were here, but perhaps they were also being used even after many of the gods had left – or pretended to leave. At one point or another, the skulls were hidden, and only now, in modern times, are they being found, one by one.

Were ancient human civilizations instructed by the gods where to hide these skulls, so that they could remain intact for thousands of years, until they were meant to found again, in our time?

Are some select humans in modern times programmed to be “drawn” to these hidden sites where the skulls are buried, in order to find them, without these people realizing that this is the case? Is this process being manipulated by the gods? To me, it certainly seems possible.

As mentioned in Zen Gardner’s article, the old Indian legends say that there are 13 skulls, and when they are all brought together, humanity will once again be able to communicate with the gods. According to the legends, these skulls were first and foremost communication devices for the civilizations on Earth to stay in touch with their gods (the AIF) when the gods were off-planet and dwelled in other dimensions (thus, the gods could also “keep an eye” on humans here). If we are to believe the legends, it seems as if these 13 skulls are waiting to be found and brought together, and once they are, will that be the time when the gods return and show themselves to us? Will these skulls be the communication devices we use to communicate with the AIF across the multiple dimensions, like quantum computers, the way it supposedly used to be?

Another thing that comes to mind is that these skulls could be 3-D versions of earlier crystals that were created in the VOID/KHAA (the Spiritual Universe we humans lived in before the AIF invaded our solar system and trapped us here), and were used before the Invasion. I can’t confirm if they were or not, but I don’t think so—it doesn’t fit the picture. You don’t need crystals in the Spiritual Universe, although they can be very helpful in the physical universe and across all the holographic dimensions. In’s universe, with all its astral dimensions, crystals are used both as storage of information across these dimensions, as communication devices, and as healing devices.

UNICUS: Wow! Your insights triggered a powerful memory in me. I have had many lucid dreams in my life where I either find crystals in nature or, I am in a room where crystals are displayed. Those dreams have always left me feeling extremely excited. In fact, I believe I was allowed to touch an Annunaki ME crystal during a lucid dream in early 1991. At that time, I was invited to touch that incredibly-powerful, truly-bizarre crystal to accelerate the healing of my emotional and physical body which was incredibly weak… I wanted to die. And I should mention, the woman that possessed that crystal seemed to be the polar opposite of, but related… that was my impression based on our brief encounter. She really did help restore me to health and balance. Therefore, based on my life experiences, I feel it’s quite possible that crystals can and do exist in a non-physical state and are still being used by the Annunaki, etc.

WES PENRE: That’s interesting because another crystal skull, other than the one found on ancient Mayan ground, also telepathically communicated with its owner, we are told. The skull revealed to its owner that it originates in other dimensions, which fits into the picture we are painting here. We need to understand that the AIF created all the “other dimensions,” and they guard them closely. The other dimensions, as we think of them, are’s creation. The authentic, Spiritual Universe (the KHAA) exists “beyond” any dimension in our known Universe. This is one way of looking at it in order to make a complex subject a little more comprehensible.

Scientists today are baffled over these crystal skulls—they don’t understand how they were created. If you carve out a crystal to create a jaw bone such as the one on one of these skulls, it would shatter—even with modern technology. However, the gods have no problems creating such skulls—they use energy to create these things, and they can then manifest them across all the dimensions. They don’t carve out anything.

The skulls hold the properties of quartz crystals, and we know that quartz is used in computers, and silicon is used to store memory, and quartz is also the most important component to make watches work. Crystals can be used for psychic protection, as well.

UNICUS: OK. Man… That’s really interesting. I have studied the so-called Tablets of Destiny, aka the ME (pronounced may) and they were some type of very advanced crystal technology that was used for warfare, communications, healing, etc. I believe this is directly related to what we call a Tesseract which acts as a bridge or gate between universes/dimensions like a quantum computer.

Having read your Wes Penre Papers, I feel you are uniquely qualified to answer my next question. Why is society being forced to accept transgenderism as the new norm?

WES PENRE: Before I answer this question directly, I want to digress and share what I heard from Barbara Marciniak, who channels “the Pleiadians.” She said she’d heard first-hand that in one of the United States universities, it is now forbidden to refer to genders in speech and in writing so long as you’re a student and you are on campus. If you violate this rule, you’ll be written up and eventually expelled. Also, if you refer to a specific gender in a school paper, that paper will not be accepted. I have not been able to verify this yet, but I believe this is true.

Barbara is in a position where she wouldn’t lie about such a thing that could be quite easily debunked if it weren’t true. Therefore, presuming that she is correct, this will in all its absurdity make sense. Now, when we are going toward the Singularity, when man and machine will merge into one (see my new e-book), it makes sense to manipulate young people into thinking that genders are not important.

This is why: Before the AIF came to earth, the first humans here were androgynous. In fact, they were considered feminine in nature, just as the Spiritual Universe is a feminine force. The entire point of Artificial Intelligence (AI) and the Singularity is to imitate the spiritual world in the physical realm, but here on earth it’s done with technology and with the intent to trap and control. The Gnostics called these intruders the Archons, although not all members of the AIF are AI/Androids (but some of them are—think Grays, Reptilians, Dracos, Nordics, Insectoids, etc.).

Now, when we’re getting close to the Singularity, the High Schools and Universities want to “educate” (manipulate/conform) the younger generation, which will experience the Singularity first-hand (the Singularity is scheduled to be in full effect around the year 2045). They want to confuse our children about genders and teach them that “anything goes” (please understand I do not judge people for their sexual preferences, and what I’m going to say next has little to do with the individual; this is about controlling the collective. Some categories of people with alternative sexual preferences are just being used in a what is now becoming a giant propaganda machine).

Not too long ago, homosexuals had a very difficult time existing in society. They were put in jail, beaten up and murdered, just as black people have been (and still are). However, in the year 2016 we are openly discussing gay marriage being legal and accepted. Transgenderism was rarely even discussed until recently; this type of sexuality was swept under the rug and kept out of sight and out of mind. Recently, an incremental transgender movement has arisen, however, highly educated people in society, who are spokespersons for their professional field, are now suddenly supporters of the transgender movement. Keep in mind that the Feminist Movement in the 1960s – 70s was funded by the Rockefellers. That’s where it all started. People who are older may think back to the 1950s and compare it to now. If that’s not polarity, I don’t know what is (divide and conquer). From stability in a strong, safe family, that was society’s norm in the 50s, to total confusion and chaos today (diversity and alienation).

Again, all this is done to confuse and divide people. If you don’t accept that genders don’t count anymore, you’re soon going to be treated like you would if you talk badly about other races today. The AIF wants us to get used to a more androgynous way of expressing our sexuality. This is, in due time, is going to be obvious in video games as well, so that younger people can get used to the idea as a normal part of their life.

Then, in the near future, when humanity is connected to the Super Brain Computer (SBC), run by AI, and we lose more and more of our individuality, sexuality will become obsolete over time. However, before that, people will have virtual reality sex instead of real sex, and this is already being introduced, as I proved in my new book.

The thing is that the AIF does not want us to reproduce anymore after the Singularity because we have already exceeded the number of people they need in order for us to reach immortality and for the AIF to have a decent legion of foot soldiers for their future space wars. They are actually working on reducing the population—more so over the next couple of generations after having the older generations of today die.

The Singularity will not be implemented in full until about 2045, so part of the population control is to let the older generations just naturally (and sometimes “unnaturally”) die when their time comes and make the younger generations more and more infertile and interested in virtual reality sex and sex with androids rather than having sex and real relationships with human partners. I provide more details about that in my new book.

After we arrive at the Singularity and beyond, when our organs begin to fail because of illness or old age, they will be immediately replaced with younger versions of that same organ. This is done with the assistance of nanobots implanted in our blood streams. These synthetic nanobots will replace our organic cells, which are all considered flawed according to the Singularitists. Nanotechnology will replace the human body as we go along—the faster the better according to Singularitists. However, the AIF still wants our souls intact and trapped in those more or less immortal bodies for a reason, which I discuss in detail in my new book.

It’s important to remember that once a person is connected to the SBC, there is no turning back. There will be no more death after that because the soul cannot leave the cyborg body. The entire Transhumanism Movement is about the AIF getting absolute control over a world population of human bodies and human souls, who all have individual minds, which are difficult to control. Conversely, a hive-mind is easy to control. Therefore, we can say goodbye to individual thinking. Do not get seduced by promises of eternal health and immortality—we’re heading toward the biggest trap in the history of humanity. It’s the ULTIMATE trap!

We have never been in this much trouble before as a human soul group. It’s literally a matter of life and death—on an eternal level! This is very serious, and it concerns every living human being as well as any life in the animal, plant, and mineral kingdoms. Everything will be run by artificial intelligence, if the Singularitists get their way. We – humanity – are the only ones who can stop them, but we can’t stop them if we refuse to look into this matter and object.

I may have diverted a little bit from your question, but I think this is important. I hope you don’t mind.

UNICUS: Not at all Wes. I value your insights. I know from my experiences and research that everything is connected, which sometimes makes matters complex and difficult to comprehend. That is why humans tend to try and separate everything into small segments before they study it.

In your amazing new book, Synthetic Super-Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind, you provide a dire warning to humans. You reveal that AI and the Singularity are part of the Luciferian Agenda. When do you expect Lucifer/ to return to earth? Will he be opposed? Or, will he openly reign supreme?

WES PENRE: When we start doing this kind of research, we quickly realize that we don’t even have to be religious to understand that historic Prophecies, such as those in the “Book of Revelation” and the “Book of Daniel,” are about to be fulfilled because they are blueprints for what’s been planned to come by the AIF gods. The “Battle of Armageddon” will most likely take place when the Third World War is a reality. Quite often, we hear rumors of war, whether they are legitimate or are just more fear mongering and manipulating. However, those who have read the books in the Bible that I mentioned above, know that parts of the Prophecies are already beginning to be fulfilled. And it’s not just the Bible; many ancient texts talk about the Return of the King, the Lord, God, the gods, or whomever their scriptures tell people to worship—what they all have in common is that someone “divine” is going to return, and many people are anxiously waiting for that day to arrive!

As a side note, the Third World War does not necessarily have to be fought on the battlefield—it could very well be the “war on the human mind,” and if so, we’re in the middle of it.

As I wrote extensively in the Wes Penre Papers (WPP), there are many, many people in positions of political power that are Born Again Christians or Theosophists (following the teachings of Helena Blavatsky from the 19th Century). The U.N., for example, is full of members who are Theosophists, who are waiting for the Maitreya (their version of Christ) to come back. All these people – particularly the Christians – WANT the Battle of Armageddon to happen because then they “know” that the Second Coming and the Resurrection are near. I know this sounds crazy, but it’s true, and most people know enough about Christianity to clearly understand this part of the jig-saw puzzle we are discussing.

This is exactly what the AIF, or the Overlords, are counting on; they need our participation in and preparations for them to return, so they can be accepted as God and angels when they appear to come back. This is more extreme manipulation, but it is basically what the World Religions are there for. That’s why they were created in the first place. The Overlords are immortal, so they don’t plan in terms of a few years—they plan for many millennia, or even millions of years in advance.

What is End Time Prophecy? Is it really the God of all things who has planned this a long time ago, and now it’s being played out just as He said? No, the Prophecies were not created by the God (or Goddess, rather) of all things. Religious prophecies were created by ETs—by the AIF specifically, and one of their most important symbols when it comes to human affairs is the all seeing eye of John the Divine and Daniel, and other religious prophets, simply channeled various AIF beings. They were told that they channeled God, and that they needed to urgently spread the message to the rest of humanity.

In reality, the AIF is fulfilling their own Prophecies with a lot of help from fanatic, religious people all over the world. Unfortunately, we are helping the AIF to trap our souls here by continuing to worship/work for them—that’s why religion is actually evil at its core. In order to break the spell that has been cast on humanity, we need to look at religion as a massive disinformation campaign with a lot of truth mixed into it to attract people. However, the rest is clever manipulation, steering the population in a certain direction toward the “Return of the gods” and “the Singularity”, which is rapidly approaching.

It’s impossible to predict’s/Lucifer’s exact time table without asking him, and I’m sure he wouldn’t give an honest answer to that question, anyway, if we were able to ask him. We know that astrologically, the Age of Aquarius, which is not going to appear in our lifetime, is’s sign— being the Water Carrier, or the Water Bearer. Currently, in 2016, Earth is under control of’s son, Marduk/Ra, who could be compared with the Biblical Satan. The problem is that when it’s time for the Changing of the Guards, we know, from a historical perspective, that infighting usually take place among the AIF gods. Therefore, Marduk might not want to give up his power – even to his father. This power struggle creates competing factions within the AIF. It usually also creates a third party, consisting of other gods who want to be in control. A space war is currently raging in our solar system, where even human military is involved, as well as different factions of the gods.

There is no way for us to know the outcome of all this, but the way I see it is that if the Singularity, which is a long-term plan, instigated by the Overlords, arrives on schedule around 2045, it makes sense that the Return of the King will happen before that, but who can tell for sure.

Another related event is the so-called “Rapture”. Will it happen as predicted? Yes, I believe so. The Ra Material (which was channeled in the 1980s) tells us there will be a “harvesting of souls” into the Fourth Dimension/Density, but this is just a New Age version of the “Christian Rapture”. What will the Overlords do with the raptured (captured) souls? I can’t say for certain, but I know enough to stay away from that with all my might.

If I have interpreted the planned chain of events correctly, regarding the AIF agenda, a global financial collapse is right around the corner. According to President Obama, he recently said in one of his speeches that a new Global Financial System is not being in the planning anymore. He said, “it’s DONE!”. A new system is ready to be implemented, and interestingly enough he said that this new system will give everybody a “fair shot”. He is referring to the Singularity, even though he doesn’t just come out and say that.

In my new book, I warn that robots will take over the job market within just a few years (we see the trend already, and even the mainstream media is all over this subject). Therefore, we must ask what will happen to human jobs? We humans will be more and more obsolete in the job market. The New Economy will make sure that humans can be financially compensated and given a “fair shot” until the Singularity is established. By that time, the building of gigantic Smart Cities will already be in progress, and as the Singularity Guru, Ray Kurzweil, says in books and interviews; once we start building these giant cities that will house the future cyborgs (the new humanity, which I call Posthuman), there will be plenty of jobs for everybody. They are already planning on New York becoming the first Smart City on earth.

Curiously, they have not released the new global financial system yet–they have put it on hold. Why? I think it is because they need to totally crash the old world economy first, and that is most easily done by creating a WW III. This war, if it happens as a war fought by soldiers, will most likely be a space war. It may start off as a common war here on Earth, but fleets of ET space craft could suddenly appear in the sky, possibly as a majestic hologram (Project Blue Beam), and it will look as if we are being invaded by space aliens. All nations will then forget about their internal disagreements and come together as One Humanity to fight this new threat. Governments will encourage people to come together across their borders to protect humanity as a collective species against the alien invaders. President Reagan spoke openly about this a few times in the 1980s as he was promoting and funding SDI (Space Defense Initiative, aka Star Wars), and he and Gorbachev discussed the issue in one-on-one meetings.

This is where the “war on the human mind” that I mentioned earlier in this interview comes into the equation. The deception that’s going to unfold, regardless of how it is done, will be massive! This invasion will appear very real and many people will die during this supposed staged invasion. However, the main reason for this fake invasion is for humanity to experience how to become ONE—ONE HUMANITY UNDER KRIST, as the god Marduk explained it to me when I was in contact with him briefly in 2011, which you can read using this link:

“BY THE KRIST WE ARE ONE” were the exact words he used. He emphasized to me that we are all ONE, whether I wanted to believe that or not, and that we need to come together, forgive each other, but not forget, and live in peace together–the “Anunnaki” and the humans as ONE.

At that time, I hadn’t connected the dots that I have connected today, but now I understand what he meant and why he contacted me. He wanted me to post the message from the KING in the above link, and this King was said to be his father,—the King of Nibiru. The message was a message of war against the Global Elite and all their proxies. No one, he said, would get away with having controlled humanity.

At first, this might sound compassionate and benevolent enough to many people, unless we look closely at the intention behind this (which I actually did at the time). I refused to post his message, unless he allowed me to also post a disclaimer, saying that I am totally against this because it will inevitably start a World War. Nations all over the world will see this as a Declaration of War against humanity, and nations will come together and fight Marduk’s legions. He was apparently not happy about my disclaimer, but it was approved. So, I posted the message with the full knowledge that I can’t stop these beings, but I can at least inform people of what’s going on.

Here’s a continuing possible scenario: after the staged invasion, another “real” armada of other space aliens will arrive on the scene and defeat Marduk’s fleet and appear to “save” humanity. However, this armada will be led by The war will be over quickly and mankind will have their Father/Savior in charge once again—the Second Coming becomes a reality and the King will sit on the throne for 1,000 years, according to what the AIF/Anunnaki told Dr. A.R. Bordon and his science team a few years ago. You can read about it in Dr. Bordon’s essays, “The Link” and “Between the Devil and the Incoming Rock.”

After the AIF war, people will realize that they are ONE nation under GOD and this will manipulate most of the population into accepting the Singularity. The AIF, in order to not break the Law of Free Will, need our approval to be able to establish their New World Order, which means a world currency and a cyborg population (the successors of the current Homo sapiens sapiens, i.e. the Posthumans), controlled by an AI Super Brain Computer. It’s not that the AIF genuinely care about the Law of Free Will, but those who created us do (the Queen of the Stars and her Helpers—see the WPP). If the AIF does not have our consent when they make major changes, they are in serious legal trouble with the Court of Orion.

If we stand up against the Overlords, the Orion Queen (’s mother) can interfere and help us to get out of this trap in a way that I describe in my new book. It would be our final release from this entrapment, and the AIF would be put on trial for crimes against humanity. However, so long as we agree with the AIF and work with them, wittingly or unwittingly, the Orion Empire can’t do anything to assist because if she did, She would be the one to break the Law of Free Will. Intelligent criminals, such as the Cosmic Overlords headed by, are experts in circumventing the law. Personally, I don’t believe we have time to wait for the AIF to make a mistake because they haven’t so far. We need to stay on top of this, and we need to do it now.

I can’t guarantee that the above events will take place—this is just what makes the most sense to me based on the years of intense research I’ve done thus far. However, regardless of the order of events, the end result will be the same – the Singularity – unless humanity wakes up and acts in their own best interest very, very soon.

This may all seem quite depressing, but it’s always better to be informed and prepared. If a pack of wolves are ten minutes away, and they are out to get us for their next meal, would we rather not know about it and “hope for the best” that someone will save us. Or, would it be better to be told about it in advance and have time to climb up a tree before the wolves arrive?

Nevertheless, even if the majority of humankind can’t be saved from the Singularity, there is still a workable soulution for those who have invested enough time and energy in learning about what is going on. I have presented a possible soulution to this situation in my new book.

UNICUS: I feel it’s important to publicly identify the problem we are all facing, and put it in the proper context, before it’s too late to do anything about it. Having met face-to-face in Malibu in 1985, I know that one of the personas/titles he likes to use is The Father because that’s how he introduced himself to me. He looked like Jesus with long hair, a beard and a white robe both times I encountered him.

It took me nearly 3 decades to figure out who he really was/is. And then I was even more shocked when I realized He is the Biblical Father in Heaven which explains why millions of people have been murdered in his name and millions more will be murdered as a blood sacrifice to him before he returns to openly reign supreme during an alleged 1,000-years-of-peace. However, thanks to the books of Zecharia Sitchin, there are quite a few people in our time that are claiming that the God of the Bible is’s brother En.lil. Can you help set the record straight on this sensitive subject?

WES PENRE: This can be very confusing because the AIF, specifically and his son Marduk, are brilliant at tricking and manipulating us humans. Actually, that is one of’s titles among North American Indians: “the Trickster.” Their type of manipulation is not limited to humans— has even tricked former inhabitants of the Orion Empire to rebel against his parents; the Queen and the King of the Orion Empire. Scripture tells us that Lucifer/, being the manipulative trickster that he is, managed to manipulate a third of all the angels in Heaven.

If this is true, a third of the inhabitants of the Orion Empire were manipulated into rebelling against the current system, but were defeated and cast out of Heaven (the Orion Empire) by “Archangel Michael.” He is the equivalent of En.lil Jr., aka Prince Ninurta. He is’s brother, which is something I explore in detail in the Wes Penre Papers (WPP), in “The Fourth Level of Learning.” still has most of these interdimensional beings trapped in his rebel empire under his “spell.”

Yes, many times has manifested himself as a man with long white hair and a long beard—often dressed in a robe. That’s the archetype of a god or an angel, right? However, any interdimensional beings can manifest in whatever shape and form they wish. We call it “shapeshifting,” but these manifestations are actually thought forms, manifested by energy and frequency. Therefore, when interdimensional beings do this, they can appear just as solid as you or I if they want to, or they can be more ethereal if they wish to make more of a “godlike” appearance.

Normally, they don’t stay in that form very long because it takes a lot of focused energy to remain manifest here in 3-D for a long time. It’s more convenient for them to take control of one of the bodies in stasis that the AIF possess, both here on Earth (underground) and on Mars (underground), which they can jump in and out of in case they need to stay in 3-D for a while. When they use those bodies, we are unable to distinguish between them and us because at that moment they are human—their bodies are as human as ours. The only difference is the brain capacity; these bodies are wired so the host can use 100% of the brain/DNA connectivity, while we only use about 5 – 10% (unfortunately most earth people use less than that, on average because of thousands of years of genetic/spiritual manipulation).

What and his son Marduk/Ra often did was to shapeshift and take on the persona/appearance of the King of Orion (also known as Khan En.lil, or Anu/An), and his son Prince En.lil/Ninurta, in order to confuse humans and other interdimensional beings, when needed, to further their AIF agenda.

Zecharia Sitchin and many others, who wrote and lectured publicly about the ancient Sumerian gods (Sitchin died in 2010), claimed that YHVH/YeHoVaH was/is Prince En.lil. But before we hurry to establish that claim as factual, we need to be clear about one thing; En.lil,, and Ea, among other “names” used in the ancient text are actually not names. They are titles. Most scholars are in agreement on this.

That is why we have two En.lils, for example—stepfather and son have the same title, but one is the King of Orion and the other is the Crown Prince of Orion. Therefore, and Marduk think it’s legitimate to toss these titles around as they please when they take on new roles in this 3-D realm; roles that correspond to these titles. It’s also convenient for them to portray friends of humanity (the Queen, the King, and the Crown Prince En.lil) as enemies, and vice versa. However, if we take the time and effort to put all the pieces together, we realize that it’s crucial for the AIF to trick us in this way.

The real name of these beings are not known to humanity, but the question is, do they actually have names? Do they need names in the Spiritual Universe? Could it be that beings recognize each other through spiritual energy signatures, just as every song has a distinct melody and mood?

Based on my years of research, it’s easy to see that the entire Creation Story we read in the Enûma Eliš, and other creation stories from around the world, are fabricated to a certain degree. We need to keep in mind that these texts were often dictated by the gods and written down by their scribes. Therefore, what became the ancient texts that we know today were the stories the AIF gods wanted us to believe. They do not always reflect what really happened. But, as we discussed earlier, the gods (as well as the Global Elite today) love to hide the truth in plain sight. They just can’t help themselves. However, more importantly, they need to always tell us the truth in one way or another in order to get our consent, as I’ve mentioned many times in my writings.

It’s important for people to understand that Adam and Eve were not two specific individuals. They are archetypes, and if we don’t realize this, the entire Lucifer/ and En.lil/YHVH story makes no sense, and neither does the Bible or any other sacred texts. It is no secret that is known as Satan/Lucifer in the Bible. He is the Serpent in the Garden of Eden. Thus far, I believe most readers who have read Sitchin, or similar material – or the Bible, for that matter – are in agreement with me up to this point.

We also know that was/is the Master Geneticist among the AIF (he learned much of it from his mother, the Queen of Orion, before he rebelled). Therefore, doesn’t it make more sense that Prince En.lil, in the case of the Garden of Eden, is the Protector of the Primordial Man, whom I call the Namlu’u in my papers? Doesn’t it make sense that the Garden of Eden is the “Golden Age” in the Spiritual Universe before arrived? After took over, he manipulated the Namlu’u (the Spiritual Humankind) into entering human bodies that were 3-D in nature and infested with implants that would trap these souls—and he gave us death and amnesia so we don’t know who we are and whence we came. We, the Namlu’u, fell for it. How else would it make sense?

Subsequently, and Marduk both played the role of God Almighty to their new, genetically modified species—Homo sapiens. Thus, we have this schizophrenic “God” (Jehovah) who sometimes is mild in nature, and then all of a sudden changes personality and becomes a jealous, brutal and blood-thirsty psychopath. It’s just and Marduk taking turns playing GOD. is the “mild manipulator” while Marduk is the blood-thirsty “no-nonsense, right-to-the-point” God of wrath.

Why would En.lil want to become Jehovah and lead the genetically engineered humans, whom had created, and why would he want to control them? En.lil (and the Orion Empire) was the one who was defeated in’s invasion of Earth, and Homo sapiens were abominable manipulations of the original Experiment En.lil and the Queen of Orion embarked on so long ago. Why would En.lil want to be God and protect the hijacked Experiment that he and mother created on Earth? It doesn’t make any sense when we really think about it. There is more to this, and I write about it in my papers. However, this is a good summary.

We humans have one big weakness when it comes to learning things—we listen too much to authorities, and then we absorb this and make it part of our overall belief system without questioning it. Once absorbed, we begin to spread this information to others, believing that it’s true because some authority figure said it or wrote it. We then firmly defend our beliefs (based on what authority figures tell us), even past the point where it no longer makes sense, because no one wants to be wrong. Most of us have been guilty of this to some degree at one point or another, and I’m no exception. However, these days, realizing how easy it is to unwittingly do this, I do my absolute best not to take anything as gospel just because someone says so. If it sounds interesting, I try to figure out on my own whether it could be of any real benefit for humanity or if it’s just more hot air.

The story of En.lil and is the key to our true history, and it’s crucial that we figure out who is who and what is what. Don’t take my word for it—read my papers and my new e-book for more information (it’s all free of charge). If what I’m reporting rings true to you, do further research on your own. However, if you research the ancient texts, please be sure to crosscheck what you learn. More importantly, read between the lines and see if you can connect some of the dots. It’s easier said than done because the AIF are masters at mixing truths with lies.

Keep in mind that is the father of having crafted genetically engineered humankind, but he is also Lucifer/Satan – the serpent – the Father of Lies (and Manipulation). is known as a “Trickster God” and the Father of the Archons. I am aware that Marduk has also rightly been associated with Satan, but more so when he was assigned leadership of Earth while his father has been away. After all, Satan only means “adversary,” so this title could fit anyone that is opposed to humanity’s freedom.

As a rule of thumb, if you’re stuck and become confused in your research, step back and review the version that is commonly used and believed to be true by a majority of mankind. Then, turn it around and look at it from the totally opposite side. Many times, this reverse mirror perspective gave me the “aha moments” I needed in order to get unstuck and continue moving forward again in my search for truth. In this world, black is often white and white is often black. In general, that is how we are deceived.

The following is a common theme: the researcher finds out that the creation of Homo sapiens originates from an ancient ET species and not from a literal God. This is a major discovery for the researcher. Then they find out that there were two brothers, and En.lil, and created Homo sapiens. From different “authoritarian” authors and lecturers they learn that is the “good guy” and En.lil is the “bad guy.” Because created us, our love goes out to him. We learn that he is not perfect, but he “means well” and he loves humanity.

The researcher learns the above, up to that point, by more or less turning mainstream religion and history upside down, and alas! There it is! However, now it’s time to turn the alternative version upside down, too, and realize that is not the benefactor of humankind. The evidence of this is overwhelming when we look at it. The “authoritarian” authors and “scholars,” some of them purposely, didn’t go back in history far enough to get the fuller picture, i.e. the story of what happened before the so-called Anunnaki arrived. If they’d told that story as well, the roles of and En.lil would be reversed. However, many alternative researchers are stubborn and refuse to change their perspective on this—in fact, some of them are even unwilling to even look into it. They are so “sure” that is a friend of humanity when in reality he is the puppet master. Despite the evidence, these people continue to worship because they suffer from Stockholm Syndrome.

It’s not only time for the masses to wake up; it’s also time for the alternative research community to do the same and not blindly believe what they’re told by others – always be vigilant and question everything – even my research. Do your own research, and you will see if it confirms my conclusions or not.

Here are some important insights regarding the key players involved in Earth affairs:

  1. En.lil (Prince En.lil/Ninurta) never challenged his mother, the Queen of Orion. To this day, he loves his mother and would defend Her with his life.
  2. Khan En.lil (the King of Orion) is Prince En.lil’s and’s stepfather, who signed the Peace Contract with the Queen of Orion a very long ago, from our time perspective–long before Lucifer’s Rebellion. (Again, En.lil and are just titles. It’s not their real names).
  3. Prince En.lil, aka the En.lil Sitchin wrote about, is working for his Mother and stepfather. He is second in charge of the MIKH-MAKH warriors of the Orion Empire. Khan En.lil (the King of Orion) is First in Command.
  4. Yes, Prince En.lil helped his Mother (together with the Vulcans/Vegans) build the Living DNA Library here on earth, which was then given to him to oversee.
  5. Prince En.lil’s daughter, Isis, (which is just another title) was abducted by and brought to Earth and raped. When copulated with Isis, she bore him a son (Marduk), and helped him create a new, genetically modified human race based on the existing, divine DNA on Earth. Prince En.lil got furious that his brother had manipulated and raped his daughter, and he castrated on the battlefield in the Rigel star system (this is where the story about Osiris, Isis, Horus, and Set originates from). After that, when had become sterile, Marduk (’s son) was put in charge of creating the new humanity, and that’s why we have a lot of different hybrids walking around on Earth.
  6. Isis managed to flee (something even Sitchin wrote about) and found her father’s Garden of Eden that was now deserted and in ruins. She started crying and realized what she had done from being manipulated by these two evil beings, and in order to pay tribute to her father, En.lil, and her grandmother the Queen of Orion, she tried to remember how to create a pure human race—an androgynous race such as the Namlu’u. She managed to a certain degree, and she created a female race with red hair that was androgynous. Remnants of this race is said to still exist, living under the Earth. In my WPP, I speculate that the VRIL women of the Thule Society could actually have been offspring of these females.

I believe Isis is still on the run, probably hiding somewhere on Earth—both from her father En.lil, whom she thinks may be angry with her, and from her son Marduk, and his father,

  1. is in charge of the AIF in our solar system; but he has temporarily assigned that responsibility to his son, Lord Marduk.
  2. Prince En.lil and his father, Khan En.lil, did something we humans have a hard time understanding and accepting. Around 13,000 earth years ago, they wanted all creatures on Earth to perish in the Flood because had modified the divine DNA of the Living Library to such a degree that there was no symbiosis in nature whatsoever, and everybody seemed to suffer. had created predatory and parasitic beasts that we only see in our worst nightmares. And after he got tired of them, or when they no longer filled his purpose, he just let them run free on Earth and create havoc. If there ever was a Hell, it was probably Earth before the Deluge.
  3. saved his son, Noah, and his family, and the seed from the “Global Elite,” i.e. the seed that had the most DNA in it. He wanted to recreate his minions after the Flood was over.

UNICUS: Good answer. Thanks for summarizing that information.

Do you know of any way that humans can deactivate the nanobots the AIF Luciferians have covertly put in our bodies?

WES PENRE: It seems as if there is no way to rid our bodies from nanobots. They are making sure they get them inside us one way or another. I don’t know when they will be activated and what will happen then, or whether they will be activated in increments in compliance with their agenda.

What can we do? The only thing I can think of is to have clear intentions and communicate telepathically to the “universe” that we are sovereign and decide our own future, and that we don’t agree to have the nanobots activated. In this way our discontent will be felt by the AIF, and hopefully they will abide by our free will. The people that don’t protest may not be so lucky. I am not even sure if it will work, but I will give it my best shot.

Here is a link to an article I wrote on this particular topic:

UNICUS: I know you are aware of the Gnostic revelations about entities they called Archons. Archon (Greek ἄρχων arkhon) is a Greek word that means “ruler” or “lord,” which is frequently used as the title of a specific public office. It is the masculine present participle of the verb stemἀρχ-, meaning “to rule,” derived from the same root as monarch. However, one of the many revelations I received while reading your research was this: I believe the correct spelling of Archon was/is: AR.KHAN.

WES PENRE: That is pretty interesting to say the least. Is there a reference as well to that spelling?

UNICUS: No. But while reading your papers, I was reminded that KHAN is an ancient title that means the King or Lord of the Queen’s KHAA (breath of creation)… I suspect that was the original spelling/meaning behind the title. Of course, that title was hijacked and perverted by when he was denied Kingship of the royal court of Orion by his family, which led to him creating his own rival empire and starting a galactic civil war. Therefore, the rulers of this illegitimate, rebel empire are the AR.KHAN or Archon.

WES PENRE: Well, the Archons and the AIF (Alien Invader Force) are based on the same old truth. I was aware of the Gnostic legends of Archons before I started writing my papers, but I decided not to call the beings I am discussing “Archons,” for one reason: Although the AIF are the Archons as described from a religious perspective in the Gnostic texts (in most parts), I believe I expand on the concept with new, secular discoveries–and sometime with parallel discoveries that do not totally fit in with the Gnostic/Archon picture (although I still believe they are one and the same). If I had called them Archons in my research papers, I’d feel sort of put in a “box” and would need to compare the two (AIF and Archons) most of the time, and I would not like to do that.

Unfortunately, the few Gnostic texts remaining in existence give an incomplete, and therefore somewhat inaccurate, reading of the situation we are in. The last thing I want is that all the New Agers who write about the most outlandish fantasies on aliens to start calling the AIF “Archons.” That would totally kill the whole concept of the Gnostics, just as John Lash mentioned somewhere. Therefore, I’d like the Gnostic Texts and their use of the term Archons to remain separate from my research as much as possible, although it is of course fair to mentally compare the two.

UNICUS: Yes. It makes perfect sense. I often use the Gnostic term Archons as a reference point for conversation. These entities have been called many names by mankind, such as flyers, Grigori, demons, djin, unclean spirits, etc. But they are all the same parasitic, predatory entities.

I hope you understand that many of my colleagues in the media would like to interview you and they hope you will change your mind someday about doing radio and/or TV interviews.

WES PENRE: I realize that people who have read my papers want me to speak on radio shows to spread the information to a large audience all at once, but to really boil it down, there is one major reason why I don’t want to expose myself and the material in such a way—at least not at this time: I’m confident that those who are ready for the material will find it. Thus far, it has tended to work well that way.

There will be a great inflow from readers in the beginning when something like this is released–these are the people who had already been waiting for such material. Then it will slow down for a while, and a little later the inflow will increase again, and so on, until it really breaks loose. It has a tendency to happen in clusters, almost like an avalanche or like waves. This way, the majority of the people who read the material will be the ones who are serious about it, and the ones who have intentions to distort it will be less. If I discuss it on Coast to Coast at this time, for example, too many people with different intentions will react to the material, and it will most likely create a certain amount of confusion. The bottom line is that I’m trying to protect the integrity of my research material to the best of my ability.

If I ever do grant a live interview, I would want it to be conducted by some with knowledge on the subject. That way, there will be less personal attacks on me. And if attacks occur, it will be on the material and not so much on me and the material, which would confuse the matter and divert the public’s attention. Although there are people who want to “shoot the messenger,” that is more likely to be a short-term thing. However, it’s always unpleasant for the person who is attacked, of course. What I’m trying to convey here is that I want to create as little confusion and diversions as possible—it’s not that I try to hide because I don’t want to be attacked. I’m always thinking in terms of what is best for the material.

Last, but not the least, I prefer email interviews, such as this one, for another simple reason. If you go on a live or even a recorded video or radio show, you need to answer questions on the spot, without providing any real depth to your answers because time is limited. You may be able to answer the questions fairly well anyway (some people are better at this than others), but in an email interview, you have time to ponder the questions and make sure you answer them to the absolute best of your ability. You can make sure the reader gets the most out of the interview. I’m a thinker and a writer, and this is where my strength is—I’m not a very good verbal communicator, and it’s not because English is my second language; I’ve always been this way.

I want to test this hypothesis, and thus far it’s worked the way I predicted. But yes, we’ll see. If I change my mind (and I might—when time is right), I would actually like to go on a show with you first. I have remotely read your soul’s energies, and I can tell that you’re a very sincere, honest man with a big heart. You have no hidden agenda.

UNICUS: Thanks Wes. I look forward to hosting a live interview with you someday.

Are you aware of a relatively new entity on Earth that calls himself Rayel? He claims to be Christ returned. Based on your research, who is this person, really?

WES PENRE: Yes, I’m aware of Rayel. He is mentioned in WikiLeaks, I believe. I have studied him some, and I decided to keep an eye on him because there are some things about him that are quite questionable. However, as yet, nothing has been proven either way. While I was studying him, it made me wonder if he is the modern version of the Maitreya from the 1980s.

You can use this link to read more about this.

He is wearing the cross of the Knights Templar and claims many connections. The red cross goes way back in time—all the way to Orion. It is basically “The Cross of Ninurta,” aka Prince En.lil. It’s the cross of the MIKH-MAKH Warriors. I’m sure Prince En.lil wouldn’t be too happy to see RA-Y-EL (RA of ELohim) wear his cross. However, that symbol was hijacked by 1/2 million years ago, or more.

As I stated in my papers, and other interdimensional beings split their fire into different fragments, but each fragment has the memory of the whole; therefore, there can be two Maitreya, and there can be two fragments of Marduk or two fragments of In the other dimensions, this is a common thing.

UNICUS: What is the purpose behind the growing trend of humans having sex with robots?

WES PENRE: This is another subject I examine in my papers; how humans in the future will take robotic lovers and life partners because people will forget how to interact face to face with each other; in part, because having a “sexy” robot that never says no will be quite appealing to many people. The fact that this is increasingly being reported in the main-stream media as a powerful, new trend in society is one the reasons I wrote my new book on AI and the Singularity.

UNICUS: Yes. I recall reading about that in your papers and your new book. It seems to me that the increase in access to pornography via the Internet was an important step toward dehumanizing human, sexual relations in preparation for the Singularity. As I see it, the goal is to gradually transform us from mankind into manchinekind: to completely control us and cause us to better serve the AIF agenda.

You have publicly stated in the past that Scientology is a group you spent time participating in and are intimately familiar with. I realize it is just a rumor, but do you have any idea if L. Ron Hubbard was involved in opening a portal for the AIF near Area 51, in Nevada, with the help of Jack Parsons?

WES PENRE: Parsons and Hubbard worked closely together. Scientology (Scn) always tried to deny this when the media found out about it, but it’s ridiculous because it’s coming from the horse’s mouth! In the “Philadelphia Doctorate Course,” which was a long series of lectures held by Hubbard in 1952 or 1954 (I can’t remember which), Hubbard talked about his collaboration with Parsons. Later, in 1956, if my memory serves me well when it comes to the year of release, Hubbard also mentioned Parsons in a “Hubbard Policy Letter” and wrote about him in kind words, mentioning that Parsons blew himself up. Still, Scn tried to deny the connection whenever they could.

When it became too obvious, Scn played on Hubbard’s link to Navy Intelligence and suggested that Hubbard was working for the Government as an infiltrator in “evil Secret Societies” with the purpose to create confusion and split them up. In the case of the OTO, Hubbard succeeded beyond expectation (Scn’s own words).

The above is true (except the part where Scn says that Hubbard was infiltrating secret societies) because I was a high level Scientologist myself in the mid to late 1980s and I’m an OT VII completion, a Dianetic auditor and a Class V auditor as well, and I have done the Philadelphia Doctorate Course, so I know what is on those tapes. No Scientologist who has listened to them can deny that they contain the information I am giving you here. None of it is hearsay.

Now, when we look at it after the fact, it’s obvious that Hubbard and Parsons opened up one or more portals, which let certain interdimensional (some would call them “demonic”) forces into our reality, and since then the UFO phenomenon has really taken off, hasn’t it? These two black magicians with their OT Grade IX sex magick really messed things up here. Yes, Hubbard was working for Navy Intelligence way back when, but they had no intention to break up any OTO lodge. Hubbard was in on it—there is more evidence saying that he was. Even his own son has witnessed against him. I find it interesting that Hubbard called the upper level of Scn the “OT levels,” (dropping the last “O” of OTO which is the Ordo Templi Orientis led by Alister Crowley).

UNICUS: That really interesting.

Here is a link to an article from The Sunday Times, 5 October, 1969, for people that would like to learn more about this topic:

And here is a link to another article on the same topic:

I was wondering if you could comment on the link I sent you regarding my experiences, discoveries and research in Malibu. What connection does my research have with yours?

WES PENRE: I looked at your updates a little bit last night and more so this morning. I also followed a few of the links from the page you gave me to the monuments in Malibu. There is some very intriguing information you have gathered—particularly the part that is self-experienced. I want to say that the UFO bases along the US west coast (and in California particularly) are very real, and although there are those (of course!) who have said that the pictures of the underwater platforms are just a natural formation, that’s of course not true. I have it from good sources that and his cohorts have bases under the ocean, and especially along the west coast of the US, and also underneath the bottom of the Mexican Gulf.

UNICUS: Yes. This has been made clear to me also during my many close encounters and contacts and decades of research in this field. However, I wrote an article, with graphic images from Google Earth, proving that the so-called UFO base off the coast of Malibu was/is a red herring designed to distract the public’s attention.

That does not mean there are no UFOs in Malibu. I had many close encounters there, but I suspect they were coming in and out through portals/stargates. I would not be surprised if there are underground and underwater cities/bases in California controlled by the AIF. However, the platform/mound in Malibu is not a massive opening with giant columns to a UFO base as some people have claimed on the Internet since 2014.

WES PENRE: OK. I have a question about this light being you encountered in Malibu who said he was your Father, or “the Father.” I definitely don’t want to evaluate anything and my question is only out of curiosity. Are you totally certain that this luminous being actually was (Again, I am NOT saying that he wasn’t). You sound quite sure about that he actually was. What is it that made you certain about it? Could he have been someone else?

UNICUS: Good question. Yes, at this point I am positive it was It could not have been someone else. It has taken me a relatively long time (nearly 3 decades) to admit this to myself and the rest of the world. In fact, it was soon after I began reading your papers in late 2014 (and then finding other historic references) that I finally realized that “the Father” was/is “The Light Bearer.”

But at that time, when I had that out-of-body experience and entered a dimension of white light in 1985, and he approached me and said he was “the Father”, that seriously confused me, which I believe was what he wanted to do. He then began laughing at me… and although, for many years, I said publicly that his laughter was not sinister… in fact it was very sinister, I just didn’t want to admit that to myself or others. And, in hind-sight, the abandon Cold War military radar installation I was located on that night had Satanic graffiti on it. People were most likely performing Satanic rituals on that site in the wilderness, but I was unaware of that at the time.

In any case, after Lucifer/ began laughing in my face, the very next thing I knew, I suddenly sat up right and thought I had briefly experienced a very strange vision… I knew I was not asleep or dreaming during this enigmatic event. I was totally lucid and had only laid down for a few moments before floating out of my body into the light.

At the moment I came back into my body, I suddenly stood up and looked out to the horizon and was shocked to see the moon was setting. That really freaked me out because when I laid down the moon was nearly overhead which meant that hours had passed and I had absolutely no memory of that time – I still don’t. I was given amnesia by for reasons I could not comprehend at that time. One moment I was totally coherent. The next, I was unable to account for my actions in the astral plane.

There is much more to that story. So, here is a link to a recent article I wrote to help people fully understand what happened to me that day/night:

I should tell you that a few weeks after my encounter with the Father ( in the mountains, I had a very-dramatic, lucid dream. I was back at my childhood home in Malibu. When I say “lucid”, I mean it was just like being home again except I was in my spirit body and for some reason I knew it, but it was OK. It was a beautiful sunny day in my “dream”. I looked out over the blue, sparkling water to the horizon and felt happy to be home. I then felt compelled to turn around and look up just as 3 golden-glowing UFOs were coming out of the east; descending over my family home before the swiftly plunged into the Pacific Ocean, just off the coastline at Zuma Beach where we lived for many years. Moments later, in my “dream”, the 3 UFOs came flying back out of the water, into the sky, heading back the way they came… again passing directly over my home which made me extremely excited! This time they were glowing a silver light.

At that point in my dream, I yelled for my dad to come out of the house and see the UFOs… he had an art studio where he often worked long hours at home creating original, pallet-knife paintings during the week. But right after I yelled for my biological dad to come out see the UFOs over the house, there was a flash of white light just outside my dad’s art studio and standing there was the same man I met in the mountains who claimed to be “the Father.”

Once again, He/ had the same appearance. He/ looked like Jesus with long hair, a beard and a white robe. At that point, without hesitation, I walked over to him and hugged him. I then woke up and I mean I was wide awake with my heart pounding. I was severely startled to have seen this very-strange, illuminated character again… I intuitively knew that this was not just a bizarre dream… it was another cryptic message. I realized he wasn’t my biological dad, but I wondered what he actually meant by calling himself the Father. I was extremely perplexed by all this.

It was at that point I became really curious and began hiking in the mountains where I first met the Father hoping to see him again and ask some questions. Ironically, that’s how I discovered (or was led to) the ancient megalithic monuments in Malibu. And, over the years, when spending the night there on more than one occasion, I had multiple close encounters with UFOs. In fact, there were a few times when the UFOs sent a powerful, white light silently down where myself and my friends were standing on the mountain top above Point Mugu. But I did not see the Father again. It was many years later that I learned he was/is known as the Father of the Archons, and the Father of all lies…

Here is a link to the page I created for the ancient ruins in Malibu.

WES PENRE: Well, according to the Gnostics, Earth was created by Sophia, a young goddess from the center of the Galaxy, and to make a long story short, she created the Archons by mistake, and while Sophia’s soul inhabited Earth itself and got stuck there, from what I understand. I must admit that I am definitely not an expert on the Gnostic texts—I’m just familiar with the absolute basics. But in relation to the archons, here is another question, also just out of curiosity: How did you come to the conclusion that and his rebels were infected by these archontic entities and that this was the reason for him turning “bad” and starting his rebellion?

UNICUS: That’s a very important question Wes. Soon after I had my encounters with the Father and began finding the megalithic stone statues and other artifacts in Malibu, a neighbor gave me a copy of a book that he thought would help put things into perspective. Here is link to an important excerpt from that book which was written by a friend of my biological dad.

I am familiar with what little is known about the Gnostic belief re. Archons. It is incomplete and misleading in my opinion. However, as it turns out, Lucifer/Enki is called the Lord of the Archons for good reason. Prior to going mad, and his space-faring crew were god-like Builders of Worlds. They accidentally created these mental parasites (archons) with their consciousness when they entered a forbidden zone (like a black hole), were severely traumatized and went insane. Although they eventually managed to escape the forbidden zone, and his crew had become demonic, parasitic Destroyers of Worlds suffering from multiple personality disorder and mental parasites (what some people call demons) much like a dog that contracts rabies and becomes dangerous and disobedient. If that really happened, I’m certain that was why was denied his position as KHAN of ORION. And that is why he later created his own illegitimate, corrupt, cruel empire.

And that also explains why he confronted me that night in the mountains. He is the Father of the Archons. I had seen his mental parasites (archon) in action and was unintentionally able to interrupt them during a feeding frenzy. I learned from experience that these mental parasites are attached to and are affecting the consciousness of the former god-like beings you call the AIF as well as humans here. Like so many other aspects of our origins, this fact has been badly twisted into a Gordian Knot.

It was very difficult for me to unravel this hidden critical aspect of our history. But with a great deal of patience and persistence, I was given the insights required to see the situation in its actual context and then report my findings. However, I should explain how that happened. At some point in 2011, I became very frustrated with researching these parasites and evil overlords… I felt as though I couldn’t figure it out no matter how hard I tried. So, I decided to ask for help from the heavens.

Ironically, I mentally visualized the Father (not knowing he was actually and sent a mental message to him for clarity on this issue. Some time passed, and then I suddenly started to find that books and other information that I had read many times in the past had now become clear to me. And every time I felt that I was starting to see the truth, I got a mental message to be patient… more pieces of the puzzle were coming. And they did.

Once I had enough information (including photos of the mental parasite/thought forms) I wrote my first article. However, I was unsure about being a messenger for this very sensitive subject. So, I mentally visualized the Father again (still not knowing it was and told him/them that if he/they wanted me to give this information to mankind he/they needed to give me a sign.

A few weeks later, I received an urgent phone call from the producer at Coast to Coast AM. She explained that George Noory’s FATHER had just passed away and the crew was in crisis mode. She wanted to know if I could come on the show that night as a last minute guest, which never happened to me before or since that time. Naturally, I said yes without thinking about what I would discuss on the show. I then asked what we would be talking about? She thought for a moment and asked me, “What do you have?” So, I sent her the link to my first Archon Article and she read it while we were on the phone.

She was shocked and I told her we didn’t have to cover that topic, but she wanted to run with it. I asked are you SURE? She said yes! That specific show was highly emotional for many reasons. George was trying to keep his composure, but he was clearly shaken by the passing of his father. At one point he told me that my Archon revelations were the scariest thing he had ever heard. I remained calm and told George and his audience that there was no reason to fear this situation. I explained that the fact that we were finally discussing this serious matter publicly was a very good sign. I stated the obvious that you can’t solve a problem if you don’t know you have one. As a result, after that show I received email from all over the world from people thanking me. They were so grateful that someone was finally talking about this problem… because all these people had experienced the Archon parasites, also.

Apparently, in retrospect, some off-world intelligence gave me a lesson plan and a mission… which, in 2014 rapidly accelerated to an apex, and that’s when I found your work which I referenced during my last interview on Coast to Coast in Nov. 2014. Soon after that, I received even more insights and I wrote 2 final articles on the Archons and their mental parasites. At that point, I really thought I was done. But it appears I had simply graduated to another level. My work to improve the human condition here will continue until I leave this world permanently.

Here are my articles about the Archons:

WES PENRE: According to the Gnostics (at least according to John Lash) the archons were born in the Orion Nebula, and so were apparently the human souls as well. Is this why you concluded that may have been infected by the Archons?

UNICUS: Absolutely not. I found more than one source that indicates is the Father of the Archons… By relying on the incomplete writings of the Gnostics, Mr. Lash has made some incorrect conclusions, in my opinion. I urge people who are interested in this subject to read my article on this specific topic and decide for themselves if it’s a more accurate assessment of how/why the Archons were accidentally created by

My feeling is that what little we have been given of the Gnostic teachings has been edited to blame the Goddess Sophia for this mess. It’s a lot like Christianity which blames EVE for being EVIL and affecting all of us with her “original sin.” This misogynistic message is coming from He hates women. Especially his mother: the Queen of Orion.

WES PENRE: OK. Recently, I started following the links on your ARTICLES page, which led me to new links, etc. The Tau Ceti connection is interesting. The main stream media is reporting that scientist have actually found planets in the inhabitable zone there, and I also found the page written by an alleged human ET you interviewed rather interesting. I want to read more about that stuff. I’d like to see how that all fits into the bigger picture.

UNICUS: I agree, it’s interesting. Unfortunately, it’s probably not accurate. We live in a galactic war zone. And the first casualty of war is always “Truth.” That’s why, on this world, it’s best not to believe anything until you can verify it, and trust no one until they earn it.

I really appreciate you taking time to share your insights on these matters Wes. I find that very few people on this planet have a clear understanding and appreciation of the important information you and I are researching and reporting.

One final question, what is your take on the UFOs that are reported in modern times. Are they technology or something alive or both?

WES PENRE: A lot of what people are seeing in the skies – sometimes even “objects” that look like some kind of craft – are life forms rather than spaceships. Many people have now started to reconsider this and have begun to realize that these may not be ships after all. I’m not saying that some of them can’t be vehicles, but a large percentage are life forms that bleed through the dimensions—intentionally most of the time and unintentionally some of the time. On occasion, some of them are beings and “spacecraft” all in one.

I know this is pretty far out there for many people, but it’s something to consider. I hinted at this in my WPP. Another thing to consider is that some of these things could be aerial phenomena. We know very little about the upper levels of the atmosphere. Who is to say that these regions are not inhabited by plasma beings we are totally unfamiliar with and who can bleed in and out of our 5 senses of reality? Nonetheless, keep in mind that the entire physical universe – including the dimensions – are all’s hologram. This means that even if we see beings bleeding through the dimensions, who would these beings be? We already have the answers. Beings don’t “bleed through” from the KHAA.

There are two last things I’d like to mention. I have argued a few times that in order to find and absorb the information I have made public, one has to resonate with it, i.e. tune in to the same frequency/vibration that the material was written—at that point, and not before that, the person is ready to tackle this information. With that said, I want to emphasize that what I’ve been writing about pertains to a certain frequency band and the knowledge therein, and this is not the end of the journey. I have only touched the surface of what there is to know. A wise person once said that when you realize that you actually don’t know anything, relative to what there is to know, you are on the right track.

Another important thing that I might not have brought up before is that there is a point when knowledge becomes obsolete for us humans in this Third Dimension. There is a nexus point where a person knows enough to be able to break out of the prison. Once that point is reached, all other knowledge is just more stimulation of the illusive human mind, which in itself is a construct and therefore perishable. On the other side – in the KHAA – we have no use for the knowledge we’re gaining in the Third Dimension other than as an experience that not everyone else in the Universe has.

In the KHAA, we operate on an Oversoul level, which is totally different from how we operate here—we are once again “connected” to the Divine Feminine, the Goddess Energy, or the “All That Is.” Let’s say, in the KHAA we can operate without the limitations we have here—and remember, currently we are used to functioning in an atom-based universe. In the KHAA, there are no atoms—only spirit and what spirit can create. The only real evolution and ascension there is for humanity is when we have learned how to break out of’s AIF prison/hologram and act on it, as described in the WPP. This topic is discussed in detail in my new e-book, “Super Intelligence and the Transmutation of Humankind—A Roadmap to the Singularity and Beyond“.

There is no real ascension to the 4th and 5th Dimensions; these dimensions are within’s prison and only lead to another trap. However, there will probably be a descension, if I may call it that. The 4th and 5th Dimensions are most likely analogue to what Posthumans will experience once they are in the Singularity. Don’t forget that the channeled entities who teach about ascension are mostly hive-communities with a hive consciousness. Don’t you think that their real purpose is to steer people towards the Singularity rather than anything else? Look at the evidence and research it for yourself if you believe in the ascension agenda. The 4th and 5th Dimensions are most likely the virtual reality dimensions Posthumans will reach from being connected with the Singularity. It’s at the point of the Singularity that the fake “ascension” will most likely occur.

I realize this is sobering information, but I urge the reader to read my new e-book for a soulution to this dire situation because there is a way to break out of this hologram before it’s too late.

UNICUS: I agree Wes… I want to thank you again publicly for all the hard work you have done to educate mankind regarding the bigger picture and our place in it.

WES PENRE: Thanks Robert. I’m very glad to be your friend and colleague, too, in addition to the fact that you are extremely helpful.



  1. am I limited to only use those accounts mentioned below or can I also use other accounts to be a le to log in??

      1. Thanks Wes for your quick reply! My name’s Mark from Bolivia. Very nice to meet you! I’ll be writing you back using my Facebook account. Have a nice day!

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