Q&A Session #9, 2025

By Wes Penre, March 8, 2025

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Here is this week’s session:

Question #1:  I’m confused between your work and the Neruda Interviews. He speaks of a synthetic race (The Animus) that wants to invade the Earth and comes from a galaxy that’s 300 million light-years away. Didn’t you theorize in ‘The Orion Book Volume 2’ that it’s impossible for beings of a specific galaxy to interact with other galaxies due to them being of a fundamentally different make-up? Meanwhile, this alleged cybernetic race is going galaxy to galaxy conquering worlds, according to Dr. Neruda.

Comment: Yes, it can be confusing. Dr. Neruda appeared on the WingMakers’ website ( https://wingmakers.com ) and supposedly worked with the Life Physics Group-California (LPG-C). See The Wes Penre Papers, The First Level of Learning. The “Animus,” supposedly an artificial intelligence race, invading and conquering the Universe, solar system by solar system, I believe is more of an analogy. I know that James Mahu, the person behind the WingMakers narratives, works extensively with metaphors, analogies, anecdotes, and allegories to get a message through. He also uses visual art and music for the same purpose. Looking at it from my current standpoint, I consider the Dr. Neruda Interviews and the Animus narrative to be an analogy for the Khan Kings/Archons, who are cyborgs with the purpose of invading Orion (the material universe outside the Matrix). They are not coming from 300 million light-years away or another galaxy. They have always been here in our solar system. They were created here, as discussed in my latest book, “Battles Between Shadow and Light.” If James Mahu, for example, would openly claim that the Animus problem was literal, he would need to confirm that, and if so, I disagree with him.

Question #2: What do you think—why have the Pleiadians changed their stance and are now talking about holes in the Grid and the possibility of exiting the Matrix through them? I remember that years ago, during a channeled session, they got upset when a guest in the audience asked whether we could leave Earth after death. Back then, the Pleiadians said that Earth is humanity’s home and that we must stay here. Why have they changed their mind now?

Comment: It is true the Pleiadians recently changed their minds or revealed more. However, we want to look at it. Someone asked them about the holes in the Grid and if that is the way out of the Matrix. They acknowledged the holes in the Grid but dodged the question to some degree by not completely answering whether we should take that route. The Pleiadians have discussed the “Frequency Fence” on multiple occasions before, without mentioning we should at all leave the Matrix. Their “idea” has been for us to stay here and go nowhere. Understandably, they want us to remain in the Matrix because they have an agenda with us, and for that to come to fruition, we need to remain on Earth. Usually, the Pleiadians do not outright lie to us; instead, they sometimes talk around the subjects or occlude data and information if it opposes their agenda.

I guess that because someone mentioned the holes in the Grid, the Pleiadians did not want to lie, so they were vague on the subject instead. Still, they hinted that it’s possible to get through there.

Question #3: What is the Patrix? Is it relegated to Earth after the Deluge in the deepest part of matter, the solar system, or both? As a point of reference, let’s say that dimensions 1-7 are the physical universe where we currently dwell; what are dimensions 8-10? Orion? Would dimensions 11 & 12 be the void or spiritual universe? Can you elaborate on what you talk about in the Wes Penre Papers in this regard?

Comment: The Patrix is my play with words, referring to the Matrix. The Matrix is a maternal (feminine) word, and since the archontic patriarchy now runs the Matrix, I replaced the M with a P, as in Patriarchy.

Your analogy works. The “7 dimensions,” sometimes called the 7 Heavens, the 7 superuniverses, or the Kenoma (in Gnostic cosmology), are the dimensions/Heavens of the Archons (Khan Kings). These dimensions all exist within our solar system. They are represented by certain heavenly bodies and their orbits, possessed by the Archons, who have hollowed them out, using them for different purposes—one being archontic “ascension” for the human soul group. This is where the channeled term “Harvest” comes from (for more information, see the link above to my book, “Battles Between Shadow and Light”). The 8^th Dimension (the 8^th Heaven) is Orion (comprising both visible and dark energy, since we humans, in our sapiens bodies, can only perceive 4% of it), and dimensions 9-12 are, according to the Gnostics and some other ancient texts, the Pleroma (the Spirit Universe, also known as Dark Energy).  

Question #4: Elon Musk is quite interesting because, over the years, he’s gathered a mass following who initially was against AI and is warning humanity of its dangers like me, Bill Gates, and others do; however, he’s with the “if you can’t beat ’em join ’em” mentality! How practical or impractical would you say his ambition is to build a colony on Mars, which he says will save humanity!? How can we colonize Mars if we humans can’t even leave the upper layers of Earth’s atmosphere? Do you think Elon Musk is one of the biggest front persons for the higher agendas today? Also do you think he is of Enki’s (Yaldabaoth’s) bloodline?

Comment: EL-on is on the same side as all other Singularitists. Silicon Valley and other Singularity enthusiasts and scientists around the world have managed to engage a certain part of the human population into thinking that Singularity and AI technology are the way to go. However, some people are on the fence, and others oppose the idea of the Singularity. It’s difficult for the EL-ite to win over the opposition, but EL-on’s job, it seems to me, is to win over those who are on the fence (if we can’t beat them, join them, but on our premises, which are the same premises as Silicon Valley and the rest of the EL-ite). The Cabal mostly plays both sides in a conflict or an introduction to a controversial part of their overall agenda.

The only way for humans to go to Mars is through teleportation of the soul-mind. We can’t take our physical sapiens bodies off the planet. Hypothetically, his (the EL-ite’s) agenda is to teleport humans to Mars, where we could possibly enter bodies more resilient to the Mars environment. Or they could teleport us to bases beneath Mars’ surface with an artificial, breathable atmosphere, assuming the bodies we’re teleported into are of sapiens-like autonomy, as well. A Mars colonization could potentially take place after the Singularity is fully implemented and our consciousness is in the AI Cloud (Metaverse). From there, anything is possible.

I can’t tell who is of what bloodline. I don’t have access to that information from person to person. Sometimes, it’s possible to develop a plausible hypothesis, but that’s usually the best we can do.

Question #5: Is Klaus Schwab Marduk’s (Satan’s) bloodline? It’s hard to know who Marduk (Utu Shamash) is in his most current incarnation, but do you know who he may be today? It is my conviction that Bill Gates is a Sirian soul, hence his lack of compassion, empathy, and remorse. What about the Global Elite bloodlines of Enki, Marduk & Ereshkigal; have souls taken over them all from elsewhere? Also, do all the Elite lack spirit completely?

Comment: As mentioned in my comment to the previous question, I cannot distinguish which EL-ite belongs to which bloodline unless someone conducts deep research into each person’s ancestry. That could potentially tell us something, but not necessarily. The EL-ites keep minute track of their bloodlines, but that information is, of course, not available to the public.

I have an inkling of who Marduk might be today, but I can’t be 100% sure. Still, I suggest you look at the Middle East.

The EL-ite bloodlines are more “concentrated,” DNA-wise, than yours and mine. They are “purer” since the EL-ite and the Khan Kings heavily monitor them. The same 3-UCs incarnate in the same bloodlines over and over (just like we do in ours) and have done so since ancient times. However, The EL-ite bloodlines are much more possessed by archontic/Khan consciousness, which drives the person they possess.  Also, not everybody in the Global EL-ite is human. Some of them are incarnated Khan Kings. Because the true EL-ites all commit evil acts, it might be difficult to distinguish who is human and who is a Khan. One way to distinguish is to see what horrific stuff they do behind the scenes—particularly sexually. I am not talking about what we call sadomasochism or other experimental sexual acts between two consented human beings. I am talking about horrific sexual acts that make us want to vomit when we hear about them (I won’t disclose your name, Diddy… oops). These monsters are Khans.

Most EL-ites are human and possess Spirit, just like you and me. In ancient times, En.ki seduced them to form a secret society called “The Brotherhood of the Snake” (the Snake being En.ki in this case). They were promised “fame and fortune” if they ruled humankind in En.ki’s absence, acting as his proxies. This society has remained active ever since but under other names.

Question #6: I have been reading your work since 2014, when someone told me to read the WPP(s) on your site. It took me so long to truly grasp what you were speaking of as there is so much there to integrate. 11 Years later, and here we are. I would like you to comment further on what potential “cult damage” that has been caused by several spiritual movements. I will name A’shayana Deane and Lisa Renee as two I have encountered, whose works I had also read concurrently to your work a decade ago (some of it is similar). I thought many things they had to say were interesting, some quite interesting. However, they all seem to follow a model I would like to discuss.

There is always a “body of work,” whether it be a book or several online “texts” and Wikis or PDFs, AND there is always something divine about it in nature. Whether it was channeled directly or told by a source. There is always a large community that pays money for a monthly service. Now, mind you, this is way beyond the scope of you accepting Patreons or my buddy asking for an online group fee for her monthly classes. Like lots of money. One of the most fascinating ones I found (having been, I would say, a watcher in their community) is they have no open discussions. Everything is based on what their fearless leader says.

Also – there is really no discussion of what to do in the afterlife/on death. There are some meditative exercises they recommended. IMHO, they look vaguely similar to higher levels of dark magic and the occult.  I had this theory that perhaps some of this 5D stuff you have discussed previously in your book is part of this last-ditch effort for the rulers to keep us here. Maybe try to sell/trick us into staying in the Matrix again. I’m not going to hold back; I was highly put off by both of these groups. Some recommended certain restrictive diets, and one recently is touting that blue liquid, which was secretly found to be processed at 7% lead in some cases. I find it difficult that people can’t see its ultimate dysfunction. That’s what I wanted to bring up. It’s a larger topic, and I think it’s important to discuss. Thanks for your amazing content!

Comment: Yes, this is a concern. Wherever they can squeeze out money, so-called “spiritual narcissists” thrive on people who search for truth. I am not pointing out Deane or Renee for being narcissists—I’m just talking in general. The spiritual arena is a lucrative field in which to operate. Gather some truth from different sources and mix it with your own deliberate lies, and you have a foundational soup to use to manipulate people. Then charge a lot for it; you can strike it quite rich. If you are also a charismatic master manipulator, it surely helps.

I understand that people need an income to survive, so they can’t give everything away for free, but that doesn’t mean that much of the information can’t be available at no charge. Charging an arm and a leg for information and seducing people into paying is a huge red flag. That is the definition of a cult. These people are predators. Don’t pay huge fees for enclosed seminars; they are only available for those wealthy enough to pay. That’s Elitism, and only those with much money can gain from the information. It’s the core of Patriarchy, greed, and it’s spiritual narcissism.  

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