By Wes Penre, December 27, 2023
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Now to this week’s questions:
Question #1: Merry Christmas! And when I say that I celebrate the true Christ Consciousness into our world on this day, however it came to us. But it just hit me the whole Santa myth we know is an anagram for Satan AKA Marduk. So maybe in that whole story they are saying that the Jesus we celebrate on this day is really Satan. Which ties into your research. Just wanted to know what you thought about that. Thanks.
Comment: Yes, I agree that Jesus is Satan, and the God the Christians are worshipping is the Dark One himself. I may get slack from Christians for this, but it doesn’t make my statement false.
Question #2: I’ve been getting heavily into Gnosticism since reading the WPP, particularly level 6 on this topic. I’ve also gotten started on the Nag Hammadi texts, and in my (online) travels, have happened upon the three Gnosis books by Boris Mouravieff. His system is quite complex and in many ways an expansion on (and in other ways seems to me to be a departure from) Gnosticism as it’s covered elsewhere.
There are some teachings that resonate strongly, and others that simply don’t. Just wondering if you are familiar with his work and have an opinion on it…
Comment: Level 6 was taken off the WPP for a few reasons, one being that I do not endorse the Gnostic texts anymore. I agree there are some gospels that are quite interesting and coincide with the WPP, but if we continue reading them for a while, we notice more and more discrepancies. We see that everything is twisted to point toward a male God, and they render Sophia (the Orion Queen) incompetent, whereafter the Patriarchs save the day. The Gnostic texts are, from all I can see, dictated to the scribes (apostles) by the Overlords. If we do read the Gnostic texts, we must be very careful and have previous knowledge, so we can see all the discrepancies. And no, I’m not familiar with that author.
Question #3: I remember reading one of your articles (in the WPP) where you explained laws of manifestations. Here are some questions related to manifestation. Do you need energy to manifest? If so, how can an energy depleted person get more energy? Just through food? And what are the additional steps one needs to take in order to manifest in lower density places like earth?
Comment: It’s a good question. My comment on that is that it depends on multiple factors. If we feel energy depleted, it’s important to find out why. It can be for several reasons, not limited to 1) connection with energy vampires, such as narcissists and psychopaths, or abusive people in general, 2) poor diet, 3) illness, 4) dehydration, and 5) lack of sleep. Once we’ve spotted what it is, we can handle and start rebuilding our energy reserve again. Deep breathing is a great tool for this, for example. Finding passion and interests in life that cheers you up is another.
The bottom line is that we do need energy to manifest something. In the Universe, everything is energy. So, how come that some people seem to be better at this than others, even though they might be on the same energy level? Practice is number one, having patience is number two. Outside our physical bodies, we can manifest instantly with our thoughts, but while here in the Matrix, our intentions need to go through a few steps because of the density here. If you want to manifest something, you need to use thought, imagination, and a strong intention that you want it to manifest, preferably without doubting your ability to get the result you want. A blueprint of your intention will manifest in the astral first, and then it will usually manifest slowly in the physical universe. After you have expressed what you want to manifest, you go on with your life without thinking about it. Sometimes you will get “clues” that are related to your manifestation, and it’s important to pick up on these. These clues can be anything—small or big. But anyone can manifest with the right training and by having patience.
Question #4: Hi Wes. With everything that has gone on in the world these past few years, my wife and I have just held our ground with what we believe is the best way to detach and not feed the problem. No jabs, no demonstration, no battling the politicians; just increasing our knowledge and passing out the Orion books to whomever wishes to read them. We think this is the best way to conserve our energy and focus on leaving here through the Grid when our time comes. We appreciate your thoughts on this. Thank you.
Comment: That sounds like a wonderful plan. It’s of course important to keep ourselves informed to understand what is going on around us, so we can take the correct actions to dodge potential agendas and not abide by their plans. Other than that, we should try to stay as detached as possible. Demonstrations and other actions have, as we’ve noticed, no effect, and may even lead to more violence. Our task is to do our best to be the best version we can of ourselves and, when appropriate, spread the information. There is nothing more important than to exit through the Grid. Also, thanks for spreading the word by passing out The ORION Books—way to go!
Question #5: I’m curious about the Earth’s timeline. When Enki created the Earth from the remains of the original larger planet, does this mean the larger planet was 4.5 billion years old? I would think the current Earth was shaped from the same 4.5 billion year old remains? If this is so then this (Earth being formed) could have happened after the dinosaurs, but prior to any bipedal humans. Supposedly early man dates back millions of years but I don’t think with the dinosaurs, or…?
Comment: I have no idea how old the Earth, as we know it, is, and how old Tiamat was when she was destroyed. Most of us have heard from science that the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, and it could be correct, or maybe not, depending on how we look at it. Their way of measuring time is not very accurate. And if time is cyclic, which I seriously consider, measuring time in that way is erroneous.
I learned (and it’s also in the WPP) humans and dinosaurs, at least for some time, lived side by side.
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Seriously? You think Jesus is Satan? Jesus was a normal human being who realized the Christ Consciousness within. Although the stories are corrupt you need to see the greater aspect. The esoteric side of things. Example: Jesus said – be wise as a serpent & harmless as a dove. People see snake as symbology for reptilian. But snake/serpent = wisdom, not bad things. Lots of esoteric TRUE meaning to serpent if you look into it. Think about Hinduism – its not a religion, its thousands of years older than any religion – would that not make it the closest to the truth as we can get? It is hard to understand all the metaphors etc. but one needs to look into it. Sure you can head in the right path if you study Taoism or Buddhism also but they are missing some aspects. I find Hinduism covers all aspects better. We were not meant to have “one God” to worship that is for sure. Gods didn’t come here to be worshipped. Its about applying the principles to yourself.
Okay so I’ll take a stab at this. If you’ve been following Wes’s work if you got nothing other than that there’s been so much fraud and misdirection in this construct, then you’re doing pretty good. With that said, the Christ Consciousness did come at some point, but if you read his post about Gnosticism, so much is misdirected there including the fact that it’s all patriarchal led. So since they couldn’t stop the Christ Consciousness, they had to try to co-opt it like so many other things they’ve done. My father this, my father that, think about it. I’ll just leave it at that.
You need to think beyond this construct. Fussing over which detail is correct, which is not, is not helping your soul. If you don’t want to come back to this construct in your next life, exiting a grid hole like Wes suggest still keeps you in THIS construct. There are many dimensions etc., this whole universe is part of the construct. I am seeking liberation, to go beyond all of that. It is not for everyone, granted and once you head in the right path it may still take a few lifetimes to achieve. It is possible to achieve in 1 lifetime but it is very difficult. Becoming a self realized person and having enough awareness about everything takes time, diligence, a lot of sacrifice, willpower etc. The ancient books (always go for the oldest source, not someone’s interpretations) only lead you to the right path, the rest is up to you (from within). I suggested Hinduism above because it is the oldest known material that is the closest to the truth as you can get. An example of realization: you realize animals suffer when we farm them for our own needs (i.e. food). Animal farming for 8 billion people is no joke. Very awful situation actually – just contemplate on it. Every ‘thing’ is made of divine particle, but eating plant based is still different and not comparable to killing an animal. Would you be able to hunt your own food every day if you had to? You would also be risking your life everyday.
Another thing to consider is that life will be getting more comfortable in future and with the progression of AI, we may not even ‘think’ we are more than this body. So seeking liberation NOW is a must in my opinion.
“The ancient books (always go for the oldest source, not someone’s interpretations) only lead you to the right path, the rest is up to you (from within). I suggested Hinduism above because it is the oldest known material that is the closest to the truth as you can get.”
The “Orion Material” is older than the Vedic–much older. Hinduism is still the story from inside the Construct/Matrix. It’s dictated by the same Overlords we now want to exit from.
Not sure how you can say that. Some say it could even be 10,000 years old or more. The “Overlords”, as you call them, know about some of these teachings and esoteric occult knowledge and use it against us, yes. They did not write the stories however. Were they from India? Christianity and other religions, sure…They want us to worship a one god being.
The philosophies and teachings of hinduism are such that it is the only one that makes sense, you just know it is the truth, it is the way it is. You feel it and know it can’t be anything else. Like Karma for example. We are where we are today based on all our accumulated karmas over all of our lives.
There are so many different kinds of yoga’s, yogis/sadhus, etc. (they have undeniable experiences. The ones seeking liberation don’t talk much, there is a reason for that). Tantra – very sacred and deep knowledge there. The Aghori’s… they live a lifestyle many cannot understand but if you listen to them talk they have such good tips about life (check Dakota of Earth’s YT channel for example, Bhavani Baba is so good!). They do what they do for a reason. So much to look into and you will see…short You Tube video (under a minute): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrjbGh-RC9s. If you still believe otherwise, you will have to come to this realization on your own, maybe in another life. In each life, if we have at least thought about truth topics, it will come up again in the next life..
Ah, I see. It’s because you haven’t read the Wes Penre Papers, The Fifth Level of Learning. Therefore, what you’re saying is understandable.
https://wespenre.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/thewespenrepapers-thefifthleveloflearningfullversion1stedition-thevedicpapers.pdf
But it’s even better if you read Level 2 and 4 first to get the full concept. You find them as well on my website for free: https://wespenre.com/7-first-to-fifth-level-of-learning-in-pdf/
To me, I look within. Doesn’t matter who wrote what, etc. There are truths in all religions if you can see them, and yes similar stories. I just suggested Hinduism as a ‘help’ to people because there is a lot of wisdom and truth there that can lead you down the right path. What is REAL and TRUE to ME is what’s important. And how this place works, how our souls are NOT independent of matter. We are entangled up in matter and have to self realize and become more and more aware (there is always more to become aware to) to become un-entangled and become free (liberation). This is the only way. Without a soul there is no matter.
Having a secret source or communications from ‘beyond’ is still from within the construct. Orion is still within the construct. Our Mother is not the Orion queen. The whole universe is the construct. To get to the “Khaa” as you call it, or beyond all dimensions and realms and out of this universe, is only obtainable through true liberation within yourself. Not going through a hole. Your soul has not learned anything, or evolved, by going through a hole so you will come back. There are NO shortcuts. And this place is not savable, just look around, observe people, it really is a lot of NPCs walking around. The situation is terrible and the future dim. Things will actually look like they are getting better with more comforts and ease of doing things due to AI and such but that, as you know, is actually worse. For the soul, it means you won’t know to think you are more than the body, it will be too comfortable.
Of course there was a lot of Truth in the preachings, as well as in the Bible both new and old but, maybe too much in the old with the god of wrath and such, they were written by the scribes who were dictated to by the overlords, plain and simple.
If Jesus is Satan, then who or what was he tempted by three times, according to the scripture?
On January 2, 2024, I am releasing a new book on Amazon.com called “The Story of Isis and the War on Bloodlines.” The answer is in that book. You need to read it in context.