Q&A Session #8, 2025

By Wes Penre, February 27, 2025

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Please note! Suppose the question(s) you submit is/are omitted. In that case, it’s usually for two reasons: I couldn’t include all questions that week, so keep an eye open for one of the following Q&As, or for some reason, the question(s) did not fit the hallmark for a Q&A—perhaps too broad or complex to answer in this format. It’s never because I think a question is “stupid.”

Unfortunately, I do not have time to watch videos that people sometimes send me as a part of the question. Instead, take the part of the video the question relates to and write that into the question. Also, please don’t send websites or long PDF files I do not have time to read. When I receive these attachments and links, I must automatically disregard these questions unless I can comment on them without having to attend to the attachments.

Here is this week’s session:

Question #1: Hi Wes, do you think we are physical beings plugging in from our pods (like in the Matrix movies) experiencing the simulation of “Earth,” and since Earth is a simulation, it does not exist in the physical form?

Comment: The Earth itself is not a part of the 3-D holographic simulation we experience daily. Of course, it’s all a matter of definition, and people define the Matrix differently. I see it this way: Earth itself is trapped within a Quarantine—an energetic Grid that surrounds the planet, having holes in it, through which we can exit (https://wespenrevideos.com/category/exiting-the-grid/). But the particular Simulation, i.e., where we are restricted to only five senses, is the human homo sapiens body. So long as we’re connected to our physical bodies, we are in the current human Simulation, where we decode information coming to us from inside and we decode it with our brains. Since we only have access to about 4-5 of our DNA, on average, we only perceive 4-5% of the Universe around us and the dimensions therein. Not until we leave the body can we experience more dimensions and densities, whether in the astral or Orion. I will discuss simulations in my upcoming book, which I will soon start writing.

Earth and all the planets in the solar system exist in solid form. All these heavenly bodies are made of matter, which is condensed energy.

The attached bodies in the Matrix movies are just metaphors. In “reality,” it’s the true 3-UC, my acronym for Three Units Composite (soul/mind/spirit in one unit, making up a spirit body—an Avatar) that is “attached” to the sapiens body. We descended into the homo sapiens bodies millennia ago, and the Khan Kings/Archons trapped us into this recycling life-and-death construct, where we have almost complete amnesia. So, the “body” attached to the Matrix in the Matrix movies is a metaphor for the 3-UC.

Think about it as if we have emerged in a video game. You, the player, symbolize the 3-UC, playing around with a game avatar (a “Matrix avatar”). You are so into the game that you feel inside the computer, battling your enemies for real—adrenaline pumping.

Transform that metaphor into our true Matrix. When you emerge in the game and have put a large degree of your consciousness inside it, someone traps your consciousness inside the game and locks it, so your consciousness can’t get out.

Question #2: Wes, did your contact ever mention certain foods that block your spiritual awakening?  What foods are highly recommended for no longer being under the thumb of the Matrix?

Comment: We did not discuss food as a subject. I got the impression that as long as we’re in the Matrix within our sapiens bodies, it’s our choice what to eat. His concern was not how to maintain our sapiens bodies, which he considered “En.ki’s bodies,” a physical trap. His concern was getting us out of the Matrix, not nurturing bodies he considered prisons. Therefore, he was not invested in teaching us to maintain these physical meat bodies through diets.

Question #3: I may have missed it in all of the information, but may I ask how you come upon all of your information?  Do you use a channel or remote view, as well as your communications with others and the sources listed after each section?

Comment: I do not channel or remote view—at least not consciously, although I often work with streams of consciousness if we want to call that “channeling.” But to answer your question more directly, The Levels of Learning were composed based on multiple sources, including one major source from Orion, temporarily stationed on Earth (Levels 2, 4, and 5). In general, I learned much of what I wrote about from becoming friends with Dr. A.R. Bordon, a quantum physicist of the non-mainstream science group Life Physics Group—California (LPG-C). Otherwise, the resources are from plenty of places, so I connected the dots through research. There are too many sources to mention here, but they are all listed in the books, in footnotes (or online at wespenre.com if that’s where people read the information).

Question #4: What are the seven super universes Neruda talks about in the interview?? Is the Kenoma one of those universes? I just don’t get how the whole thing is layered. 

Comment: I understand if it may be confusing because researchers use different terms for the same thing. The Seven Super Universes mentioned by Dr. Neruda (from The WingMakers Material at wingmakers.com)  and LPG-C (see my book, The First Level of Learning) and The Urantia Book, all refer to the Seven Heavens in the Gnostic texts, i.e., our solar system, where the Sun, the Moon, Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Venus, and Mercury are their own unique super universes, including their spheric orbits, respectively. They are the Kenoma in the Gnostic traditions, i.e., the “dead universe” in which you and I live. The star constellations, galaxies, and all the rest we see in telescopes are 4% of the Greater Universe I call Orion in my material. That’s the Living Universe, beyond the dead universe where we are. So, when we leave the Matrix, we want to go to Orion by exiting through a hole in the Grid (see link in comment to Question #1 above). That’s where life is, where the stars and galaxies reside, and where we can be true creator gods.

So, in conclusion, the WingMakers, LPG-C, and The Urantia Book refer to the enveloping Matrix if we consider the Matrix to be our sapiens bodies and the solar system. This is a reasonable thing to do since both systems keep us extremely limited when our true potential is so much greater. Therefore, the Seven Universes, or the Seven Heavens, are not of any major importance to us if we do not intend to stay in the Matrix Simulation.

Question #5: Regarding going through a hole in the grid after our physical bodies have expired, what if we are killed suddenly by another human (or in much rarer cases by non-humans) or have an airplane accident? These sudden deaths can put us at a lower frequency from the shock, and you mentioned in the WPP that we need to be of a higher vibration to match the grid’s frequency and exit it. Should we automatically just think of exiting through a hole in the electromagnetic soul grid if we die in a non-peaceful manner?

Comment: What happened long ago in Tiamat, where many Namlú’u allegedly fell into comatose, was because of the nuclear weapons used by Marduk’s team in the battle.[1] If you die suddenly or in a mass accident, you still have your awareness of the Grid. If you know what to do while still alive, your cause of death should be irrelevant. As soon as you realize you’re dead, you go out through a hole in the Grid.

Question #6: After reading some of your writings, I realized that along with the knowledge you have shared about who we truly are as humans and where we come from, I’ve been overcome by a certain sadness. It feels as if, now that I see through this false world, I like it even less.

I wonder why, now that I know the truth about who I am and where I come from, I don’t feel more enthusiastic or find it easier to enjoy life. Shouldn’t knowing that this world is an illusion, a deception, make it easier to play the game of this matrix with joy?

In my personal journey, I went through several years, during which (as I now realize after reading your work) I had fully surrendered myself to God—meaning Enki—and to Jesus. I can describe that time as having a burning love in my heart. I felt every person as a part of myself, as if we were all one being. I had the sense that I already knew the people I met, and, on a few occasions, they even told me they felt the same about me but couldn’t explain why. It was a beautiful time—things seemed to fall into place effortlessly, and serendipitous events kept occurring.

But at some point, that state was shattered—brutally, I might say. Certain events led to my fall, as if I had been living in a bubble that suddenly burst. What followed were years that felt like hell. Returning to a state of normalcy was an arduous process. Even now, I can’t say I have fully recovered, especially when it comes to my heart. After that fall, I felt my heart turn to stone—cold, unfeeling, completely devoid of love, compassion, or mercy.

Now, I would say that even if that experience of unity had been induced by Enki, it was still based on the truth of who I am. It felt authentic, as if it were the natural state of human beings. If I now understand that we, as humans, are spirits from the Spirit of the Queen—that we are Sophia—how can I truly manifest the spirit of Sophia? I realize that her love is immense, but how can I feel that connection with her? How can I love purely and unconditionally, no matter what?

Since you have more experience since achieving gnosis, perhaps you might consider writing a small guide for those who reach gnosis—something to offer direction for the stage of life between the realization of gnosis and the departure from the physical body.

Looking forward to your thoughts.

Comment: To comment from the beginning of your question, how you feel is very normal and a sign that you are waking up.

Think of it this way: Pretend you go to prison for something you’re not guilty of. The conditions there are harsh and often terrifying, and the justice system also gives you amnesia, let’s say, so you don’t know you’re in prison. You think San Quentin is everyday life for everybody. Then you learn more and more about where you are and who you are, and you realize you are stuck within four walls!

What would your reaction be?

You wouldn’t feel joy and happiness. You would probably feel depressed, sad, and maybe angry until you accept the reality you’re currently in and start working on getting out. You know that there is no freedom and joy within the San Quentin prison, and there will never be. You can still “enjoy” certain things in jail—maybe reading books or something else, but these times of peace and joy are very restricted. Mostly, knowing the truth about the prison is quite a depressive awakening. However, you might realize it’s better to know than to be kept in the dark because knowledge opens up to solutions.

So, that’s why we feel trapped when we realize where we are, and we start working on getting out of San Quentin, understanding that outside is where you can make so many more choices and apply free will (allegorically speaking).

You can, of course, feel love and Oneness through religion (Christianity or any other religion a person subscribes to). Still, it’s a false love and Oneness since the “deities” people worship and pray to are not deities at all but manipulative beings who control the prison system—they are the Prison Management. The Global EL-ite are the prison guards.

Instead, a person who wakes up might eventually realize that he/she is their own “God/Goddess.” Instead of developing an inner relationship with their own Divine, they have spent their lives giving that powerful energy away to beings who manipulate and trap us in false religions and beliefs, where these manipulators steal the energy to sustain themselves. The Bible is filled with stories of Jehovah (“God”) drawing energy from humans through the fear of God. The Divine is not with the God/Gods but inside you. You need no one outside yourself to acknowledge Divinity when you truly realize that.

Perhaps you also feel betrayed by the “God” and his “son” whom you once saw as the Creator and the Savior. It’s a huge betrayal and creates trauma, abandonment anxiety, and PTSD. That’s how severe the betrayal is. You completely trusted your religion.

Sometimes, it takes time to heal. Many people, particularly those who come from a religious belief system, must do extensive inner healing to achieve the insight that this Matrix is not their home but San Quentin, the worst of prisons, so to speak—freedom is outside the Prison. The real Creator is not Jehovah—it’s you. When that coin drops, things will come into place, and you will cease to feel the loss of something that was never real to begin with.

Gnosis is a Greek word meaning “Knowledge” (in this case, “Knowledge of Self”). That does not necessarily need to be achieved through the Gnostic texts. Each person gains Gnosis in their own unique way. From beginning to end, my material is all about gaining Gnosis, step by step—not particularly from being a Gnostic (which I’m not), but everything contributes. If I wrote an essay, it wouldn’t do the trick, as I see it. In that essay, I would constantly need to refer to my own material and others, requiring people to read the material anyway. Reaching Gnosis is a process, and it’s hard work, as it is with everything, if we intensely want to accomplish something.

To make it an easier read, if you want to check out my personal journey (which is still in development and always will), I recommend starting with The Orion Book, Vol. 1 and 2 and continuing reading the rest of the books. More books are on the way…

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[1] See “The Enûma Eliš,” the Babylonian Creation Story. It can be found online for free.