Q&A Session #2, October 2024

By Wes Penre, October 15, 2024

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Welcome to the new Q&A and thank you for your questions! Please send more to wespenre2@gmail.com, and put Q&A in the subject line so I won’t miss your email.

Please be as short as possible with your questions. I get too many long-winded emails, and I notice I hesitate to include some of them because I can’t take the time to shorten them. So, please do the best you can to be relatively short. I understand that sometimes keeping it short is not an option to convey your message; just doing your best is good enough.

If you want to check out any of my books, please go to https://amazon.com and type Wes Penre into the Amazon search engine at the top of their page. Some books are also in Spanish.

Here are some autumn questions:

Question #1: Have you looked at the materials here: https://ascensionwhispers.wordpress.com/

Comment: I read the particular page you linked, and it has valuable information, in my opinion. The lady who wrote this (Marie) is apparently on a similar path as I am, with the caveat that I have only read one particular page of what she’s written. She does not mention any exit plan there, but it could potentially be mentioned elsewhere on her website. The link leads to a short introduction to her website for those interested. I always get suspicious when people talk about “ascension,” and it’s possible that Marie derives from my own perspective if I were to dig deeper into her work, but from what I saw, it seems to steer people in the right direction.

Question #2: If this matrix merges with the Kenoma, will that be the end of everything that belongs here of this matrix, like the 2 UC souls? Will they all die?

Comment: Just a little correction: The Matrix will not merge with the Kenoma—the Matrix is within the Kenoma. If we stretch it even further, we might even say that the Matrix is the Kenoma. What I wrote in my latest book, “Battles Between Shadow and Light,” was that the Kenoma eventually must merge with the Pleroma—the Spirit Realm.

Anyway, when that happens, everything will go back to how it was before the Kenoma (the physical universe) was created by Pistis Sophia. In other words, the Kenoma is the Realm of Darkness, where almost everything is hidden in the shadows. Our job (although we’ve forgotten about it because of the amnesia enforced upon us) is to spread Light/Information (Spirit) into a realm that lacks Spirit (the Kenoma), so what is in the shadows (ignorance/evil) will be exposed by the Light and absorbed by the Pleroma.

This means that when this eventually happens, the entire Kenoma will be absorbed because it shouldn’t be there in its existing form, and it inflicts on the health of the Spirit Realm. Everything that’s Spirit will return to Orion first, and when Orion is no more, we will return to the Spirit Realm (the Pleroma) where we originate. The above-mentioned new book, “Battles Between Shadow and Light,” explains all this in minute details and in a logical and comprehensive way. The 2-UCs were created in the Kenoma by the Khan Kings (the Archons), so they belong to the Kenoma. They are not spirited and can’t go where Spirit goes because they lack it.  

Question #3: I have read your latest book. It has very detailed explanation regarding exit guidelines.

I don’t understand why they can’t save us or outright destroy the physical universe and retrieve wisdoms light. Maybe it’s because I don’t want to see the reason, or I have overestimated them regarding their ability, strength, scheming, empathy, kindness, intention, or in general about everything or misinterpreted.

I don’t expect the one before all to save us; I never did for the source it doesn’t matter. Our existence is even lower than a single bacterium in its eyes, it is even possible that this is not first iteration, who knows what it wants nor my affair it is.

Even if the source is playful with its creation, what can creations do but submit and resign their fate?

Speculation aside, Aeons are often interpreted as impossible to understand but I want to ask the opposite question: Can they understand what it means to be human in this era?

It seems I have inherent prejudice against higher beings, but even if I do, they will not care. After all, I am just a bacterium, and they are cosmic beings.

This last part is important while many usually avoid discussions regarding death, I have problem with it after all it is the only way out.

My question is; after entering Orion, can I merge or surrender my essence to the primordial ocean and disappear forever? I don’t want to live forever with tainted and violated self .I hope you will answer this question.

Comment: Regarding your first paragraph, it’s explained in detail in the book you mention (Battles Between Shadow and Light, available on Amazon). The reason we humans are here is because we are the only ones who can resolve this mess we call the Matrix problem. We are the only Spirited beings who can exist in both the Kenoma, Orion, and the Pleroma at the same time. Therefore, as humans we are androgynous (we can exist in the physical and spiritual realms simultaneously and move between them—we are multidimensional creator gods). There is no being in the Pleroma or elsewhere capable of accomplishing the task at hand because the Spiritual Human is exceptional and unique (also explained in the book). We can free ourselves by getting Knowledge, so we understand who we truly are, why we’re here, and where we’re going. Once we truly understand that, we also know we are our own saviors and don’t expect others to save us. If we still expect others to save us, we have not understood the information yet. Humans need Knowledge to save themselves, which means exiting through the Grid after death (https://wespenrevideos.com/category/exiting-the-grid/). No one else can save humankind if humankind does not want to be saved (which pertains to perhaps 80-90% of the population). Orion, for example, has to take the Law of Freewill into consideration, and moreover, if they hypothetically would break that law and save us with force, they still can’t take us into Orion because humankind has become more like the Khan Kings than being human. If the entire human soul group would be allowed into Orion today, the Orion Universe would become a mess and a warzone. It is extremely important that darkness is not allowed into Orion. Light is Spirit, and Light is Peace. Darkness is evil and war. Orion does not want war, or the Orions would soon have another Matrix to battle inside their own realm.

Regarding the second paragraph, where you say we are only bacteria in the “eyes” of Source, we are everything but. As I often mentioned in the new book, we are the Crown of Creation, the most potent Spiritual Creation in the Pleroma. We are the First Human, who manifested as Geradamas, who was elevated to Ultimate Power in the Spirit Realm. Metaphorically, we humans are Spirit Splinters of Geradamas, and we are here voluntarily to help solve the Kenoma problem. We are not the soul, body, or conscious mind. These units are of the Matrix. Therefore, when you suffer here on Earth, it’s physical suffering, even when your soul or mind suffers. Once out of the Matrix, that suffering is gone and remains as a memory only.

Everything may seem like a nightmare in many people’s life, but those who suffer must realize it’s only temporary, and when they exit through the Grid the suffering disappears. Right now, a person might feel so drained and exhausted that they’d rather perish altogether, but again, once out of the Matrix, all the power and drained energy will be restored, and they will not feel the urge to “disappear” anymore. We are creator gods, we are curious, we are basically enthusiastic beings, willing to explore new perspectives and creations.

Regarding your question about Aeons, this is also explained in the book. Aeons are limited creative powers in the Pleroma. Metaphorically, think of the Aeons as parts of an expansive solar system, where each Aeon is a planet with its sphere, which the planet controls. Each Aeon (planet) has certain traits they received from Source (whom I call the Mother Goddess in the book). Hence, each Aeon is limited in creation, using the traits that were handed to them. They can’t create or understand anything beyond what they’ve been gifted with. And they can’t move outside their own spheres, as little as a planet can’t intentionally change its orbit. However, we humans—Geradamas in the Pleroma—are unique in the sense that we inhabited all the other Aeons traits combined, in addition to the traits Geradamas received from Source. One such trait is TRUTH in its ultimate denotation.

The Aeons cannot comprehend how it is to be human in the physical worlds because they have no access to the physical worlds. The physical worlds “outside” the Pleroma were never meant to exist in its current form. It was something Pistis Sophia created without us, Geradamas, who were supposed to be her counterpart in the creation. Instead, She tried to create something without Geradamas to gain more understanding, and the creation therefore became spiritless and dead (the physical universe) until She blew Spirit into it. Yaldabaoth/Khan En.lil became alive after first being a dead, spiritless physical counterpart to Pistis—an automatic substitute for Geradamas, who is the counterpart to all Aeons when they create. We, Geradamas, the Spiritual Human, can move completely freely in the Pleroma—we are not limited by spheres. Much more about this in the book, as well.

Now to the last part of your question: You can’t just “dissolve” the way you describe it, and I would argue you don’t want to, either, once you are in Orion. Eventually, we go back to the Pleroma and become our True Self again—Geradamas. But that is not yet.

A friendly suggestion to end with: Reread the book, “Battles Between Shadow and Light,” and read slowly to truly absorb it. This book needs more than one read. There is so much information to absorb, but once it’s understood, it will change the reader forever—guaranteed. From having researched the book and written it, I noticed it answered all the question I have had prior to that (although I know other questions will emerge in the near future—Knowledge never ceases). It was an extremely powerful experience to dive into the information and understand it.

Question #4: I suspect a spiritual individual like you, Wes, doesn’t feel the need to pray, but let’s say you were to pray, or you decided to – whom or what would you genuinely pray to? I ask this because well… your work has disillusioned me to religion, and now I feel ungrounded, in despair, and all alone, with no higher power out there to protect or guide me.

Also, I forget! You mentioned something about the Spirit of Christ being real and benevolent, how so in this simulation of fake deities and false gods?

Comment: I am not more spiritual than any other human—I’m just like everybody else. I’ve just reopened a connection with Spirit (Geradamas), whose main attribute is TRUTH. Any human can do it by being consistent, constantly curious, and never give up. That’ll open the “portal.” All this information I have shared is nothing new for any of us. We are just reminded of something that was a natural part of us—the TRUTH. And the things we suddenly remember by connection to Spirit stays with us in our earthly incarnation and becomes a natural part of us. It integrates with our semi-physical form and becomes an elevated part of us.

It’s true I don’t pray and never feel the need to. But to hypothetically answer your question: If I had to pray, I’d pray to myself, i.e., Geradamas, to give me more access to Myself—the TRUTH. That way, I can solve my own problems. Because we are the Crown of Creation—the Spiritual “embodiment” of the Pleroma—who else could we pray to? Source? Yes, but it’s not Source’s “job” to interfere. We are Source’s Creation, and from whatever we create, Source learns. Source leaves Creation alone to develop. Existence is the playground for the Living Creators. We could pray to Sophia or another Aeon, or the Orion Queen, perhaps, but they are not necessarily able to help. You want to pray to what is closest to you, and who is that? That’s you (Geradamas). But you don’t need to pray unless you want to. You imagine what you want, and you set a pure intention that you will get it, and then you leave it with that. Your Higher Self will abide and give it to you. You just need to look for clues, since nothing happens instantaneously in this solid matrix.  

Regarding the “benevolent Christ.” Christ is present at all levels of existence, from the Pleroma and down to the lowest aspects of the physical universe (as above, so below). You and I are the Christ at its highest level in the Pleroma. We are the First Human, the Only Son in the first Holy Trinity, comprising the Mother Goddess (Source and Spirit), Barbelo (the Mother), and the First Human (manifesting as Geradamas—the only Son). That is you (again, see “Battles Between Shadow and Light”).

On another level (Orion) we have Pistis Sophia (Spirit), Zoë Sophia (the Orion Queen, who represents the Mother), and Sabaoth (Prince En.lil, representing the Son). That’s the second trinity.

In the Kenoma, we have Yaldabaoth (Khan En.lil—Spirit), Ereškigal (the Mother), and Marduk (the Son), the third trinity.

Among humans, we have the marriage or the Holy Matrimony (a Freemasonic invention). In this Patriarchy, the husband is Spirit, the wife is the Mother, and the child is the Son (regardless of gender), making up the fourth trinity.

So, to answer your question, there is no benevolent Christ in the Matrix. The Christ in this matrix is Marduk, who was Jesus Christ (Yeshua).

Question #5: Hi Wes, in “The Story of Isis and the War on Bloodlines,” you mentioned that at one time you were either interested in Scientology or were a Scientologist, At one time I too had interest but it quickly went away as I looked more into it. I am wondering what made you know or feel that your Contact who gave you all this information was the real deal and what he spoke on was the truth? L. Ron Hubbard, as you know, spoke on Xenu sending beings from his planet to Earth in large airplanes and dropping them into volcanoes and who later became Thetans, and well, you know the rest…

How did you discern that your Contact was telling the truth as opposed to not or delusional or whatever? I have read 3 of your books at this point, plus most of the WPP’s and I do feel this info is true, but how do we know we are not falling prey to another cult / religion with all of this? Again, it does feel right for me personally, but there’s always that chance. I’d just like to hear how you got so sure about it all.

Comment: I communicated with my Contact almost every day for 5+ years, so I got to know him pretty well. Of course, I am the one who had the conversations with him, so only I would know, but in general, even though it was so many years ago now, I have never doubted the Contact I had during those years. And more importantly, I have never doubted the information that came out of our discussions, i.e., the “Wes Penre Papers” (abbreviated to the WPP that can be read and downloaded for free at https://wespenre.com). If anything, I was still fairly naïve when he and I talked, and it was a significant gradient for me to learn at. But like any great information, it can be understood in layers. The more I have grown with my research, the more I understand on a much deeper level the information we discussed, and it still blows my mind because all I need to do is to look around me and see how true it all is, except for a few section of lower quality, where I worked on my own, only having a certain degree of knowledge.

However, I am working on putting the WPP in book form, and the first volume, “The First Level of Learning (Part 1),” is already on Amazon. The Levels of Learning will be slightly revised and updated in the books, so they become truer to the original conversations I had with my Contact. The books will comprise my increased understanding of the material, based on research I have conducted since then. But the WPP will also always be free at wespenre.com in their current format.

Hubbard’s material, in hindsight, doesn’t make much sense (although it is not all a lie, or people wouldn’t be attracted to Scientology at all). Scientology was something I “grew out of” because it stopped making sense. Not so with the WPP info. Because I’ve experienced both Scientology and the WPP discussions, I can tell it’s a massive difference between the two. Scientology soon because a “prison,” while the WPP has expanded my consciousness exponentially and continue doing so and being a constant inspiration.

Hope this helps.

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