Q&A Session #4, 2025

by Wes Penre, January 23, 2025

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Here is this week’s questions and comments:

Question #1:  Wes, is emotion part of the biological body or part of the soul body? And what is spirit exactly? I want to be sure ether is another name; how does it work?

Comment: Good questions! People who are skilled out-of-body explorers sometimes talk about an astral emotional body. I look at it more holistically: Emotions are felt within our sapiens bodies since Spirit is attached to the blood cells, making it possible for us to move around. This means the body in itself is not the emotional source, but that’s where we feel it. It’s just a container for Spirit. If you have an OBE, you are in your astral body, which is the blueprint of your physical body (metaphysical copy). In that astral body (the avatar with a small “a”), we also carry the “emotional body” since we are still attached to the physical body through the silver cord while astral traveling.

We all have experienced people who seem completely emotionless and lack empathy and compassion. We call them narcissists and psychopaths. They are completely out of true touch with their spiritual self, and therefore, they lack emotions (except the negative ones, which are the trauma-based emotions stuck to the body’s nervous system). In the Matrix, we carry an “artificial” soul that En.ki created for us just before the beginning of this Construct, approximately 13,000 years ago.[1] This is the soul most people think is the “I,” the ego when it’s just a container for what you experience in a current incarnation. That artificial soul is destroyed after people enter the Tunnel of Light, and a new container/soul, without memories, is then recycled into a new sapiens body. The true soul was created in Orion, and that is our True Self in the physical realm (Orion) outside the Matrix. The emotional part of us is a gift from Pistis Sophia when her “daughter” Zoe Sophia (a higher manifestation of Isis) created us as Namlú’u with Prince En.lil, who engineered our bodies. To be creator gods, we need access to the Spirit inside, the creative force, and that also includes our emotions.

Yes, ether (or aether) is synonymous with Spirit, the Cosmic Water.

Question #2: What is the difference between Orion and the void? Doesn’t Orion exist in the void/ zero point energy, which is the basis of everything around us?

If I found myself out of this planet grid into the Void, can I go to Orion or any other solar system or galaxy and meet other entities like Lyrans, Sirians, or any  positive ones?

Comment: Another good question. The Matrix (if we consider it is the entire solar system—the Kenoma) and all it entails is the Void. It’s the “dead” universe in which Spirit is scarce. It comprises seven heavens (called universes by some) and another five heavens, considered the “Underworld,” such as Pluto/Hades. These Heavens are celestial bodies in our solar system, claimed by the Sirians/Archons and hollowed out by them. “Outside” the solar system is Orion (see picture above), which is also in the Void but separated from the archontic heavens by a boundary, which I would suggest is the Oort Cloud at the fringe of the solar system. Orion differs from our solar system in that it comprises much more Spirit, and that’s where all the star systems and galaxies are located; they are all in Orion. Orion is well protected against the Sirians/Khan Kings/Archons so that creator gods can create in peace as much as possible.

We humans tend to look at things from a linear perspective (see the picture above. It’s a linear model), but in truth, it’s not like that. The universes are fluid and exist within and without each other in a cosmic dance. Therefore, the Pleroma (the Spirit Realm) is in your room, and so are Orion and the Kenoma (the Void). We need to vibrate on these frequencies to perceive them and access these different realms while still in this solid density. Thus, “connecting with Spirit” means you connect with the Pleroma when you have your “bright moments” of insights. So, zero-point energy is the ability to draw energy from higher frequencies, where Spirit (the Cosmic Water NASA calls “space”) is more dominant than in the Matrix.

Yes, once you’re in Orion, you’re in the Universe you see in the night sky and in telescopes, although we can see only 4% of it while in our bodies. There, you can mingle with the beings you mentioned. They don’t exist in our “dead” universe. They are in Orion.

Question #3: Wes, can you explain spirit/soul/mind/body again? I was contemplating something, and I need some references. My sincere gratitude.

Comment: Spirit is your true, original self that can never die or be destroyed. You are a being originating in the spiritual realm that the Gnostics call the Pleroma. The physical universe exists in the Void (see question #2), and to be able to operate in the physical universes, we need a soul and an Avatar (with a capital “A” to distinguish from En.ki’s artificial soul), just like a computer game needs an avatar for you to play. The soul does not die by decay, or otherwise, so long as the physical universe(s) we have access to still exist(s). But the soul is not of the Spirit Realm; it’s physical and can potentially be destroyed by plasma weapons, as discussed in the Wes Penre Papers. A body is a physical construct to which the soul and Spirit are attached so we can interact with the physical realms.

Question #4: Dear Wes, in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCqsznV1BWk (HOW TO EXIT THE MATRIX ~ Prashant TriVedi), I have observed the following points:

a. The grid always has the doors (and gatekeepers).

b. The final exit point is Saturn (he is supposed to check our behaviour before allowing us to leave the matrix (grid).

c. They mentioned we have spirit, but in terms of exiting, we need to reach a soul (SUN) level to go to a higher realm.

Do I need to achieve the best behavior to exit, or is it enough that I know the grid matrix exists and have made up my mind to exit to Orion?

Comment: a). It used to have guards when there were only a few holes in the Grid or “Frequency Fence,” as Marciniak’s Pleiadians call it. Now, the Grid is like Swiss cheese and is impossible to gatekeep. The holes in the Grid are open for those aware of them and where they lead.

b) Orion’s exit point (portal) was Saturn when Ninurta was in charge of the solar system. However, in the War of the Titans (see the Wes Penre Papers, WPP, Level 2 and 4), the Sirians, led by Marduk (see the Enûma Eliš online—the Babylonian creation story), invaded and overtook our solar system. Ninurta, defeated at that point, escaped together with human and Vegan survivors through the Saturn stargate, which Marduk has occupied since then, and the stargate/portal is closed and guarded by the Sirians up to this day. But that’s a physical portal, not a spiritual one. Therefore, we don’t need to worry about Saturn because we are not physical when we leave the Matrix. All we need to do is to think ourselves to Orion, and we will be at Orion’s Gate in a nanosecond.

c) Yes and no. It is true that we need to work on ourselves to a level when we are completely comfortable leaving the Matrix behind for good and have stopped acting like the Sirians, which most people are, unfortunately. We need to find our true self, which is totally detached from anything related to the Matrix and the Sirians. If we do that, we are welcome to enter Orion.

Question #5: Wes, can you please answer these questions?

a.- When we die, are we automatically transported to the Astral Plane even if we avoid the Tunnel of Light?

b.- Are all the people in the Astral Plane there because they chose the Tunnel of Light? Are they trapped there, like in the Physical Plane?

c.- Can you access the Real Universe or the Orion Empire from the Astral Plane??

d.- What is the relationship between the Astral Plane and the Orion Empire??

Comment: a) As soon as you leave your body (having an OBE or an NDE), you’re in the astral. Every night when you dream, you’re also in the astral. Therefore, all humans are in the astral every night because even if we don’t remember our dreams, we always dream every night with our souls hovering above our bodies during R.E.M. sleep (dream state).

b) If they go through the tunnel, they get to the recycling center, which is also in the astral, but then they are recycled into a new body within a short time and thus leave the astral. Beings dwelling in the astral are sometimes human souls who avoided the tunnel or were “promoted” by the Sirians to become spirit guides, teachers, or “ascended masters.” So yes, they are as trapped as we are. One could say they are still within the Matrix system, which extends to the astral, the intermediary between the Matrix and Orion.

c) Only if you exit through the Grid. The Orion Empire is “outside” the Matrix if we look at it that way, which is how physical beings here and in Orion look at it because it’s practical. In reality, it’s more like what we discussed in Question #2, but that’s not the way a soul-mind experiences it. To us, things are external, and it’s meant to be that way.

d) See the above comments to your questions and previous comments before those. Orion is separated from the Earth Matrix, and in between is the astral plane.

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[1] See my book, “Battles Between Shadow and Light.”