Orion Book 1 and 2 Q&A Session #3

By Wes Penre, July 25, 2023

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Time for the third session of the Orion Book 1 and 2 Q&A. Thank you for your questions, and please send more to wespenre2@gmail.com and put Q&A in the subject line. For those who haven’t read the Orion books yet, and are interested, you can find The ORION Book and The ORION Book volume 2 at amazon.com by typing in Wes Penre in Amazon’s search engine.

Question 1: Hi Wes, in Volume 2 you talk about En.ki being imprisoned in the ABZU as a cyborg. Zechariah Sitchin also talks about the ABZU in the 12th planet series; of course he came from the angle that En.ki was good, En.lil bad, etc., but I do believe a lot of his historical information was correct. So, that does mean that En.ki is totally reliant on his proxies . Is he able to communicate to any of them, or are they all on their own, just knowing his wishes? That does give Marduk an advantage, actually reincarnating here over and over through the ages, and I think that’s why we’re seeing the satanism roll out and just absolute hell to come.

Comment: Yes, En.ki is reliant on his proxies, and in a sense, Marduk is, too, although he is here on the planet, which makes things easier. He has his “lieutenants” all over the world, following his orders. Even though En.ki resides in the ABZU and currently can’t get out, he can still split his Avatar and thus communicate with the ancient Top Elite bloodlines. They, in their turn, pass orders and information necessary down through the ranks. And you’re correct about Satanism. That is Marduk’s work.

Question 2: Why was technology invented in Orion? Why did the Queen need it if she was able to create with her mind? Why did they need amnesia technology in Orion, or was that something En.ki invented?

Comment: Good question. Technology is normally not used in the upper dimensions of the KHAA. There, creation happens in the mind and can be manifested instantly in the ether. However, the deeper into the KHAA dimension we dive, the denser things become, until we get to a region we call the physical or material universe. This is where technology is being used to create physical worlds, where souls can be born on planets or in stars. We could say it’s a “playground” for souls, where they can develop from scratch (without amnesia), until the day they are ready to enter the rest of the KHAA and eventually become creator gods themselves (if they so wish).

It’s very difficult to create only with our minds in the dense “physical realms” and make it stick. Therefore, it is easier and more stable to use technology; for example, to create standing ranges of vibrations to keep matter in certain shapes. Star races in and on the developing worlds don’t have amnesia. They can die, but then they take a new body—no memory loss. Amnesia is something unique to the Matrix, and it is En.ki’s “invention,” although he is using Orion technology to achieve it. But as we know, technology can be used for good or for bad.

Question 3: Hi Wes, I am interested in the following: 1. a) Is it possible to swap a tunnel for a hole in the grid after death? For example, if the tunnel appears initially at the same distance as the holes in the grid. b) Does the tunnel always appear right in front of us, or can it approach us from a distance?

Comment: You will notice the difference between the Grid and the tunnel of light because the tunnel is just that—a tunnel, or a portal basically. The holes in the Grid will be distinguishable because you will also see the Grid itself, and in that Grid you will see quite a few holes—some larger than others. In some places, the Grid is really damaged, and the path to the Greater Universe (Orion) outside the Grid is wide open. When you have just died, spot your physical body below you. Then look “up” and you will see the Grid. In the astral, there is no up and down, and that’s why it can be helpful to have the body as a reference point. You will also have 360-degree vision in the astral. The tunnel can apparently, based on firsthand witnesses, show up in any direction. But I think this might be false. As I said here above, there is no up and down in the astral, so the witnesses probably perceive the tunnel to be in a certain direction, based on their own perspective, which differs between individuals. It might, in reality, always show up in the same place. That’s just my thought, though.

Question 4: I was just wondering about Romulus and Remus, the creators of ancient Rome, according to history, which we get our whole government structure from. How do they play into this cosmic melodrama? I hear they were brothers. Can you tell us more? Thank you.

Comment: I am afraid I can’t answer that because I have not researched it—yet. But isn’t it interesting? Here is the story of two brothers again. It seems to be a theme in human history. And much of the written history is also false, of course. They say history is written by the winners, which is true to some degree, but one could also say, “History is told by the Overlords, and selected humans have been their scribes.”

Question 5: About “paying back the debt:” In chapter 3 [of The ORION Book, volume 2], you mention, and I quote: “the Queen and her Helpers gave us full freewill with no strings attached to see how this would turn out. ‘No strings attached’ means  that if we humans in this experiment could graduate, we would not need to pay back the ‘debt’. Our human souls are not supposed to be a loan – it’s supposed to be a gift. However, the way things turned out, some adjustments to this needed to be done. ” In chapter 25 you write about redemption and that some of us have to pay back the loan still whereas others (good ones) are considered irredeemable. When did the gift turn into debt? I must have missed that part in the book.

Comment: Glad you brought that up. I can predict that others might have wondered the same thing, so I’ll explain, from my understanding. It is true that the Queen gave us freewill with no strings attached when the Tiamat Experiment started. We were meant to use energy from the Central Fire to boost our 3-UCs (the human complex), and to use that energy within the Tiamat construct to evolve. It wouldn’t matter how much energy we used to get to the point when we were ready to graduate as a soul group because we were going to pay it back in one way or another anyway. And we didn’t need to be creator gods either after graduation if we didn’t want to, and we did not need to pay back the energy “debt.”

This is still true, but some things have changed. Since the Matrix was created, we have used all the energy we have taken from the Central Fire to boost En.ki’s and Marduk’s System, and thus depleted the Universe from energy to some degree to feed those who use the energy entirely for themselves (the Overlords). This was unheard of when Tiamat was created. Other star races started complaining, and when Orion looked at the situation (which must have been quite recently), they saw there didn’t seem to be an end to it. We humans, in our ignorance, only took and took, but gave nothing back, and we kept very little for ourselves, and nothing for our own development. Instead, we have fed our oppressors and certainly still do. So, the Queen strangled the energy flow to the Earth Construct, and now the System is running out of energy. This stresses the Overlords out, and they need to hurry up. I suppose Orion waits for them to make mistakes in the process, so they can intervene before the Overlords can attack Orion.

I talk about redemption and repentance in The ORION Book vol. 2. Who is responsible for paying back the energy debt? Obviously, it’s the Overlords, but they refuse. Then it comes upon the humans who also refuse and work for the Overlords—wittingly and unwittingly. Humans who insist they want to stay here and refuse to leave, even if they have the chance to, also become responsible for the debt because now they have become vampires, just like the Overlords. Everybody will get a fair chance, but no one will force somebody to go to Orion. But if they refuse, there is a penalty for that to avoid further energy theft, and that is to go with the Overlords, which they want to do anyway. You who read or hear this might think it’s strange that humans would prefer to stay in this closed-in system when push comes to shove, but I think more humans than we think will choose to stay, to be honest. However, those who work on exiting through the Grid and are willing to contribute in any way to the expansion of the Universe will not be accountable for the energy debt, so long as we repent from the Matrix and don’t have attachments to it.

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