Q&A Session #24, 2025

By Wes Penre, July 29, 2025

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Question #1: Is there something deeper to be said about friends and family who claim to want the best for us but abuse us in the process? When we try to tell them, “ow, you’re hurting me”, they dismiss it, deny it, and even wrap a pretty bow around it, “I just want the best for you”. I’m pretty sure I already know the answer to this, but I’d like another viewpoint, if you’re willing.

Comment: People such as those you describe are abusers and manipulators, actively destroying the same people they claim to love and care for. It’s a strategy, and it’s always deliberate. Although they might not be aware of it themselves, they use the same techniques as the government used/uses in MK-ULTRA, and also those used by Josef Mengele in Nazi Germany. They torture people, saying it’s for their own good. I have not seen anywhere where Dr. Mengele physically hurt children. Instead, he mentally destroyed them and compartmentalized their minds. He was sometimes nice to the children, and when they started to feel safe, he turned and emotionally abused them. So it went, back and forth, which departmentalized his victims so he could program them. Our everyday abusers do the same thing. That’s what narcissists and other types of abusive people do to their targets. Even when people manage to break out of such relationships, it isn’t easy to heal afterward. The road is often long and painful.

My advice? Take your stuff, leave, and never look back. Stop all communication, even if it’s family. Here I’m talking about abusers who never change but continue and continue with their abuse.

There is no excuse for abuse. We humans have been so abused on all levels of society for so long that most people think it’s normal. It’s certainly not. It’s archontic behavior and very machine-like. When someone is abusive, point it out and give them one chance to realize what they’re doing and tell them to stop doing it. If they continue regardless, do not give them a third chance. Turn around and never look back. Refuse to let them into your life again, and don’t let them fool you. I have learnt the hard way myself.

Question #2: In Q&A #23, question 2, you talk about the soul. The soul must pass through the Grid. Didn’t you once mention that the soul is a product of the matrix and is our astral body? So, do we pass through the Grid with this astral body, or are we talking about our consciousness, our higher self, our Soul Fire, our Avatar? Help me understand. I’m lost.

With this knowledge and awareness that we are only slaves on this planet, I don’t want to go back to this swamp anymore.

Comment: I detailed this in my most recent book, “The Nature of the Multiverse,” where I discussed the 12 Seals, 7 of them belonging to the Kenoma/the Matrix. The 7 Seals correspond to the Seven Heavens, which are the Archons’ Heaven, also known as the Seven Ascension Dimensions in some New Age teachings. Moreover, they correspond with the Seven Light Bodies we hear about in spiritual teachings, the Seven Seals in the Bible, and our seven chakras. However, as I’ve written about over the years, we do not possess only seven chakras but twelve—five outside the body, (the physical body and the seven Light Bodies essentially are our Matrix).

When En.ki constructed the Matrix’s evolutionary path through the Matrix dimensions, which we call “ascension,” he also put himself and the other Archons in control of deciding who is going to be recycled and who is going to “ascend.” However, it’s not an ascension, just more manipulation, putting the soul in an even more ignorant state, giving us the illusion of progression. The only place in the Matrix where we can progress is here on Earth in our physical bodies. This is where we are grounded with Mother Earth/Gaia (the Queen), and it is here we can remember who we are and find our way out of our containment.

If we follow En.ki’s path, one Light Body is shed at a time as we “progress” to the next “Heaven,” until we reach the Seventh Heaven, which is Saturn, where the stargate to Orion is located. However, I have not heard that the stargate, which was closed when Tiamat was destroyed, has been reopened. Why not? Perhaps because it’s the Archons who decide when we should “ascend,” and hypothetically, they could have us stay in the Matrix forever. It’s up to them, so long as we stay ignorant.

During the WPP years, I was presented with a soulution—an instant shortcut as a way out of the Matrix after body death: a hole in the Grid. When we exit through such a hole, we shed seven of our Light Bodies, which all belong to the Matrix, and we enter the Eighth Light Body, which is our original Light Body when we started our journey in Orion and our Aryan/Namlú’u bodies. That is our Avatar with a capital “A,” while I usually use a small “a” for the Matrix soul, which En.ki created. The Eighth Light Body was the only physical Light Body/Avatar/soul we had initially. The other seven were added to us in the Matrix to keep us here.

Because humans are spirited beings, we don’t belong to the physical realms, essentially, but to the Spirit Realm, which the Gnostics call the Pleroma. Our Light Bodies, 9-12, belong to the Pleroma and the Spirit Realm; the 12^th Body being that of the essential Aeon some texts call the Geradamas, by other texts called Seth, who is us. Then, there is a 13^th Heaven, which is the ultimate Mother Goddess, the original Creatrix. Many Gnostic texts call Her Barbelo.

Question #3:  There are many people speaking publicly about the reincarnation trap. One of them is David Icke, and another is Isabella Green. Isabella teaches people that the only way to leave after death is to practice awakening kundalini energy and, at the moment of death, use it as rocket fuel to shoot out of the body, jump over all the Matrix structure, and find yourself in the void. That way, we don’t have to deal with archons, etc.

Isabella claims this is the only way and that it is a bad idea to rely on our intention, because the magnetic pull of the light tunnel is much greater. Once we are in the recycling centre, there is no way to get out (other than to reincarnate again).

Her practice involves waking up every night at about 2 am, doing the meditation with cobra breath, and then practicing kundalini awakening. To me, this seems unattainable, and something just does not sit well.

Please, could you share your opinion about kundalini and exiting? Is it really sufficient to practice focus and intention, without kundalini? Because your way seems easier than kundalini, and we are used to hard things in this reality.

Comment: I know nothing about Isabella aside from what you just told me. As usual, I can only respond to that and express my conclusions based on my research and sources.

The soulution Isabella presents will not work since she does not mention the holes in the Grid. I have read many researchers’ suggestions on how to exit the Matrix, but none of them are working, as I see it. One big reason is what I mentioned in Question #3 above: even after death, we are trapped in our Matrix Light Bodies. The only way to shed them all at once so we can exit is to go through the Grid. With all this in mind, doesn’t that make sense? If the holes in the Grid did not exist, everybody would have no choice but to reincarnate, and eventually “graduate” from each level/dimension and move up En.ki’s ascension ladder.

Question #4: The Archons are not physical beings and work mostly through manipulation & deceit. However, can they take physical form? Don’t they exist only in the astral?

Comment: Yes, we could say they are astral beings, but they also have their own archontic, physical bodies that operate within another frequency, not bound to our limited 3-D homo sapiens limitations. They have souls, just like us, and they have fire. By rearranging those fires, they can appear in our reality by forming a light body that to us seems just as real as our physical bodies. You can shake their hands, and they feel real. However, they can only hold that shape for so long.

Another option is the same option humans have. They incarnate here in human bodies, just like us, and we won’t know they are Archons (in the WPP called Sirians), except by observing their behavior. You can pass them on the street, and you wouldn’t know it. A third option is that they have bodies in stasis that they can possess and use, so they can bypass the childhood phase if they choose it. A fourth option is to possess a human who is already incarnated and take over the person’s thought processes since we have their DNA. I would say this often happens with the Global Elite and their Elite bloodlines.

Question #5: Could you explain why you and many others think this world is a simulation? What is it a simulation of? If we live in a simulation, then what is the real world?

Is it the Pleroma?

Comment: The view is that all physical realms are simulations—they are minds’ constructs, manifested in the physical realms. They are the work of creator gods like us. The Queen created the “blueprint” for others to build from, and that’s what the physical universes are. They are projections of someone’s mind/minds.

It becomes a little more complicated than that if we dig deeper and realize there is only one of us. I.e., you and I are the same, essentially, because we are splinters of the same Aeon, as discussed earlier in this Q&A. There is nothing outside yourself that you do not create since the day you sat your spiritual foot in Orion. The Universe you experience is your inner universe, not John’s or Mary’s. They are your projections, although we have forgotten that we are individuated units of consciousness, derived from the same source. Therefore, there is only one human, and that is you. From my perspective, there is only me. The outside universe is a projection of our inside universe (it’s a copy), and thus, the outside “reality” is a projection and a simulation.

The Archons took that to a whole new level by increasing our density (making us denser) after we had entered the sapiens bodies. Now, it’s like we’re stuck inside a knight’s armor, knocking on it, but we can’t get out. The armor is equipped with a sophisticated(?) machinery, where the brain is the receiver and the decoder of information. This information is limited to 4% of our true capacity. One could say it’s as if the Archons have a dimmer with which they can adjust how much information we can receive. They do so by manipulating our DNA. Science doesn’t understand that the 95-96% “junk DNA” is the opposite: it’s the DNA/information/awareness the Archons won’t let us have access to.

The Matrix simulation is projected from Saturn, and Schumann’s Resonance is also controlling the frequency band we normally have access to in our bodies. It’s all about vibration and frequencies. Our bodies can only receive the information the Archons allow us to receive until we start thinking outside the box and eventually open a channel to our Divine Self (there is only one Self, as explained above; we all have the same Highest Self). Philosophy is perhaps the best way to get there. Philosophy is far more important than delving into books, videos, and the daily chatter of physical life to learn.

You are correct, IMO. Not until we get back to the Pleroma can we leave simulations behind. As long as we are in the physical realms, we are in simulations, based on projections. That is not always a bad thing. It’s when we are kept in the dark and with limitations that life becomes very serious. It doesn’t have to be that way, but as long as the Kenoma exists, we will have an abundance of evil and ignorance ruling our lives and the physical realms.  

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