FAQ: Fears Going Through the Grid

By Wes Penre and Ariel Glad, wespenrevideos.com.

Here is a general guideline how to exit through the Grid after our physical bodies have expired and what we suggest you don’t do. All we do need to do is to spot the Grid “above” us after we die (with the expired physical body as a reference, as there is no up and down in “space”), look for a hole in the Grid, set an intention, and exit through one of the holes. In a nano-second, you will be on the other side to experience the KHAA, aka the Greater Universe.

We understand that although the solution is simple, there is a lot of fear involved–fear of death and fear of the unknown. We know this because we are constantly getting questions and concerns about this subject. In this FAQ, we’re going to address the most common responses we get from our visitors. We hope this will be of assistance.

For your convenience, we have created a Table of Contents below this paragraph. Thus, you can click on a question of interest, and the link will take you directly to that question within this article. Use the back button to go back to where you were.


Not realizing we’re dead
Being tricked into the Tunnel of Light
Being tricked into a false Grid
Will freewill be violated by the Overlords when we exit?
Will the Overlords use weapons on us that will kill the soul?
Thinking ourselves outside the Grid without spotting a hole
Can Orion, as saviors, remove the Grid and let us all free?
Wes’ and Ariel’s Comments

QUESTION: What if I don’t immediately realize that I’m dead, e.g. if I’ll have a traumatic and sudden death, am I not in trouble of being hijacked and waylaid in the astral? How much time will I have to exit before it is too late?
ANSWER: This could always happen. The privilege you have is that you know about the Grid and what you need to do. With that in mind, it won’t take long before you realize that your physical incarnation is over, and you can as soon as possible concentrate on the task of leaving.

There is no set time limit to exit the Grid, and besides that, time is perceived differently in the astral than in 3-D. Just do it as fast as you are able, and don’t pay attention to anything you might experience around you. Many of us might not encounter anything at all before we exit. The only thing that’s important is to focus on the task of leaving.
QUESTION: Can I be tricked to going into the Tunnel of Light?
ANSWER: Only if you allow yourself to be tricked. We have discussed the Grid and the exit procedure in many of our videos, and it is also discussed in the Wes Penre Papers (WPP). Some of us might encounter thought-forms, astral beings, spirit guides, or deceased false relatives and friends, who try to lure us into the Light. It’s up to you if you fall for that or not. If you want to go through the Grid, the safest thing you can do is to not listen or pay attention to anyone or anything–whatever it can be.

Some souls see the Tunnel quite instantly after death and feel drawn to it–both electromagnetically and because of an abundance of love that is pouring out from it. This love is false in the sense that it is energy being stolen from the human soul energy to trick us. If you feel drawn to it, just turn the other way to get away from it, and concentrate on the Grid.
QUESTION: My fear is that I might be tricked by a “false Grid.” What if the Overlords create an illusion of the real Grid and I think it’s genuine? Maybe the hole in the false Grid leads me right into the Tunnel of Light?
ANSWER: We have been instructed by a long-term source, who is very knowledgeable at this, to keep it very simple–“just go through the Grid.” Period. Besides that, if the Overlords would project a false Grid, which we highly doubt, that’s not what you’re aiming for. Once you’re out of your body and you see a hole in the Grid, set an intention, “I am going through the Grid into the Greater Universe,” or “I am going through the Grid to Orion,” if that’s your purpose. Then, it doesn’t matter what the Overlords have set up because in your mind, you’re going through the real Grid, which is possible because there are holes in the original Grid. Don’t project obstacles and barriers, just “do it.”

We humans are not used to creating boundaries, so beings in the astral have a fairly easy time reading our energy signature, and they can spot our “weaknesses,” and they can potentially take advantage of them. It’s up to you not to fall for them, and it’s a good idea to start focusing on that task while you’re still here. Then, when it’s time, you know what to do; spot a hole in the Grid and think yourself through it. That’s the simplicity of it–everything else is additives, created in your own mind because of your fears. The key word here is “focus.” Don’t let anything distract you–learn to be determined, without letting your fear get the best of you.
QUESTION: I am concerned that I don’t have freewill, or the bad guys will not honor it, so they can do whatever they want with me.
ANSWER: You do have freewill, but you, like all of us, have been manipulated into not using it to the extent we’re supposed to, which is having complete freewill of choice with all potentials available to us. Only you can stop yourself because in every moment of your existence you are operating on what is inside of you–not what is inside of someone else–even when you get manipulated. Even then, YOU are making your own decisions. You are the one who can change your destiny because only you can determine what you want–the soul belongs to you–it IS you in the Greater Universe and within this construct. If you think someone else is more powerful than you when it comes to your decisions and implementation of them, you are not using your own inner strength. If you do use it, no one can stop you because you are your own power. For someone to have power over you, you must give them that power first. Also, don’t even put yourself in a situation where you need to defend yourself or argue for your case. Just go out through the Grid.

Moreover, the Overlords are not very concerned about individuals; they are more concerned about the human soul group as a collective. They don’t waste too much effort to go after individuals, except if these individuals severely threaten their Agenda, which a few souls exiting through the Grid do not. If you see a beehive and want to collect it, you quarantine the hive so the bees can’t escape. However, a few bees will probably still escape. Will you go after them? Probably not; you still got the hive. But if they sting you, you might swat them.
QUESTION: As far as I know, they have these advanced weapons stolen from Orion. Why wouldn’t they use them?
ANSWER: They might, or might not, possess such weapon at this time, but even if they do, it would be very foolish of them to use them on us. These weapons are very rarely used, even in war. If the Overlords used them on us, that would be an unforgivable act, and they know it. There could never ever be an excuse for that in a future court, and they would probably get the same treatment. The Overlords might be manipulative, controlling, and abusive, but they are not foolish. They have nothing to gain by using these weapons but everything to lose.
QUESTION: Can we just think ourselves outside the Grid without spotting a hole?
ANSWER: Most likely not. We wouldn’t say it’s impossible, but it makes things more complicated and we’re potentially more subject to errors. The easiest and fastest way to do it is to spot a hole in the Grid (there are many of them) and think yourself through it. That’s what we’ve been taught to do. The Grid is our collective soul energy, and that’s why it’s impossible to penetrate without holes. It’s easier to have something we can externally perceive (the holes) and then project ourselves to the other side.
QUESTION: If Orion comes to rescue us, can’t they just remove the Grid so all humans can escape?
ANSWER: We highly doubt it. The Grid consists of our collective soul energy, where each soul is connected with everybody else on this planet. In the current state humankind is in, what would happen to each individual soul if the Grid was shot to pieces? We can only imagine. The mildest thing that might happen would probably be complete confusion, desperation, and global panic. The worst we can think of (although we are only hypothesizing) is that souls would be shattered–similar to if someone would use the ultimate weapon, where souls as split into pieces. We can see that the Grid is definitely preventing Orion from coming in here. It’s very difficult to terminate the Experiment at this point because that would include dissolving the Grid. People are not ready for that. The awakening must happen on an individual basis.

Wes’ and Ariel’s Comments

Why would the AIF/Overlords have to deceive and trick and create all kinds of religion/mind control/cults etc. if we didn’t have any choice in the matter to be recycled. If we are going to be forced without our consent then why all the control programs? They would not need to do that; why waste all that energy when they don’t have to? Look around you, every aspect of control of mind and body are present. Why do they feel compelled to do all that? And then after death, the BIG SHOW with the angels and relatives; they probably have harps playing heaven music.

They are tricking us to choose something we don’t want by knowing in advance what we are going to do and taking proper measures.

Conclusions: What should we focus on? The fear of being recycled again or successfully exiting the Matrix? We know the answer to that. But from an objective perspective, what if we fail? Then we get recycled, but at least, we did everything we could to get out of here, instead of worrying about everything that could happen on the way.

It’s important to be in control of our thoughts. Do we want to be recycled? No. So, why do we spend all this time putting energy to being recycled and re-trapped? The more we let the synthetic soul take overhand (which is what these thoughts are), the more likely it’s going to happen. Realize that all these what ifs is fear, which is the design of the programming the Overlords have “gifted” us with (sarcastically speaking).

If we didn’t have this programming and fear, we wouldn’t even think about that we could fail–that would not even cross our minds. So, every thought telling you that “things can go wrong” in the exiting process is not coming from YOU; it’s coming from the programming. It’s important that we learn to distinguish between ourselves and the programming, and when the programming takes over, we need to recognize that and say, “cancel that!” (see our latest video: wespenrevideos.com/2019/12/09/video-197-how-to-control-our-thoughts-and-diminish-the-effects-from-thought-forms/).

What each person needs to work on: Any obstacle a person creates in their minds, and any “what if…” they come up with that might stop them from exiting is fear-based–the voice of the “Inner Critic” (artificial soul). If we let this fear take over, the chance of being successful diminishes significantly. If we are not able to FOCUS on the exit procedure alone when it’s time to do it and put all our fears aside, the chance of being sidetracked is increasing exponentially. Most of us have heard the expression, “we get what we ask for.” That’s very true in this case, too.

The fantastic news is that the exit procedure is very simple–we are “lucky” that it’s not more complicated than this. So, let’s not make it more complicated than it is. No one else can eliminate your own “what if’s” except you–regardless of what anyone tells you. Your own fear is the only thing you need to work on, while still here in the Matrix. Whether we’ll be successful with exiting is entirely up to us.

Just go through the Grid!


  1. Thanks for simplifying the process Wes. I must have missed this article it’s my first time reading it after hearing all the talk about the grid. I think the fear is we only get one shot at it and we don’t want to blow it. Like the Nike slogan “Just do it! applies here. I think we all visualize what the grid will look like and are afraid it will look different when the time comes. Just have a razor focus and think I want to exit a hole in the grid and go to Orion and see the Queen while turning from the light or whatever feelings we have of being drawn towards the light.
    Is meeting the Queen like judgment day? Could she look at your life and see if you’re worthy of being free in the KHAA/- and if not worthy kick you back ( for example murderers and rapist) or is it once you’re there you stay for good?

    1. Rapists and murderers are rarely human–they are just programs that have either gone wrong or were planned out to begin with. They are of the Matrix and can’t enter the KHAA without deteriorating. Regarding humans, who exit through the Grid, no one from Orion will stop us from doing that and no one will be thrown back here. As a human soul, if you want to go to Orion and have and audition with the Queen, you can do so. Unless you are a bad criminal (like I mentioned above), which you are not, of course, there is no reason why you can’t stay in Orion.

  2. Wes, I really want to share your information with loved ones/friends who are religiously dedicated, but I don’t want them to feel attacked or be immediately put on the offensive. Your information is so vast, it could be overwhelming or intimidating. Where should I recommend to start to introduce them to your information to make them inquisitive and give them a desire to continue to read? Unfortunately, I know very few would continue to read, but I feel I need to give them the opportunity to make the choice. Thanks much, Pat

  3. YOU SAID:
    “But from an objective perspective, what if we fail? Then we get recycled, but at least, we did everything we could to get out of here, instead of worrying about everything that could happen on the way.”
    BUT LATER WE RECYCLED , the memory deleted and what….next time we never remember to exit the grid or ???

    1. Most likely not. We will be born with amnesia and have to start all over. Depending on what choices you make in the next life determines whether the person will find the information about the Grid.

  4. Hi Wes, Thanks for clearing up a few points. At the risk of sounding stupid, I want someone to point out, what happens to the Oversoul, when we transition? Wouldn’t it be better to connect with that first, before breaking out of the grid? I say this because, if I am a soul fragment, then what of the Whole?

    1. Good question. What people in the spiritual movement call the Oversoul is the Genuine Soul–the REAL you, which has nothing to do with the conscious and subconscious mind we’re operating from when we are on Earth. Just by being here on this blog and asking this question means that you ARE in connection with your Oversoul/Genuine Soul. People who are waking up do so because they have opened a connection to their genuine self. “Waking up” means exactly that…you are letting your true light shine through your physical vessel/body and your mind. So, when you exit the Grid, you are connecting fully with your “Oversoul,” who is from thereon the one who’s going to operate in the KHAA.

      If we use a computer game analogy: the person in the living room, who plays the video game is the Genuine Soul/Oversoul. The avatar that he is operation in the game is the physical body. While playing, it is evidently possible for the player in the living room to get completely absorbed by the game, putting a lot of energy into this avatar. What about if someone, when the player is in this focused state, putting all the energy into the avatar, locks the game and keeps all that soul energy stuck inside the game with no apparent way to withdraw that energy and return it to the person in the living room?

      That’s what happened to us, metaphorically speaking. Now, we have found a way to disconnect from our avatars/physical bodies and withdraw all that energy from the “computer game.” We do that by going through the Grid. Then, the person in the living room/the Genuine Soul is “waking up” and can dissociate from the video game again and go on with his life.

      1. Thanks Wes, really insightful. And thanks for giving me a visual. It shows you are a great communicator. I only hope that more and more people get access to your material. Peace

  5. Thanks alot Wes. Wonderful information. I have a question how do you know all about this. Is there any help from outside earth? Or just extracted from all ancient books?

  6. Been practicing going through the grid for some years now thanks to Wes by way of his WPPs. Thanks again Wes for your exhaustive research into this, and many other related subjects. One gets to the stage where one, looks forward to the ultimate time of passing from this life/reality to the next and passing through the grid, while at the same time being responsible for oneself, and others, who may rely upon you, while living out this existence. thanks again Wes!

  7. Thanks heaps Wes, for your fantastic help from your obvious deep knowledge base through much hard work and investigation. Mike D.

  8. Wes, your writings are like a lifeline. After a long self(them?) induced absence I’m back to studying yours, and now Ariel’s works. I feel like my imaging/imagine/imagination is damaged/broken, something I think is vital to have. Early on I read that you answered someones question with, paraphrasing, “If you’re reading this, you’re Namlu’u(sp?)” I have doubts. I feel like I’m retarded. Can you recommend a vid or 2, maybe a Chapter or 3? Sorry to impose.

    1. Off-hand, I don’t think I can refer you to any specific video because this kind of info is embedded into videos that are on other subjects but are mentioned in the context of THAT particular subject.

      However, there is a simple guideline you can follow: if you are drawn to this material–not only because it might be “exciting,” but because somewhere at the core of your being, you feel it is true and helpful, you are either of the original soul group, aka Namlu’u, which is MOST likely, or you are originally a star being from somewhere else, who happened to be captured here. Even if you would be the latter, it doesn’t matter–you still need to get out of here. Even if you leave this material for some time and come back to it later, you DO come back because there is something that draws you to it. This is the indicator that you fall into one of the two categories above–it can’t be any other way, or you wouldn’t levitate towards it.

      The self-doubt you might feel back and forth is not coming from you–it’s coming from the “artificial soul,” i.e. the reactive mind, which is not you at all, but is based on trauma and emotional wounds that you’ve accumulated during your lifetime. We all have those :). The yearning and pull into this material comes from the TRUE soul, which is YOU.

      If your imagination is “broken,” it’s because of trauma–particularly if you’ve had imagination earlier in life. It’s a coping mechanism, instigated by the reactive mind/artificial soul. Dreams and hopes might not have been accomplished, or when you’ve tried to accomplish your goals, you might have run into a wall or been traumatized, invalidated, and abused. The mind then shuts down the imaginary process as a reactive self-protective mechanism in an attempt not to feel the pain associated with it. It almost always is rooted in childhood trauma. On occasion, it can also be due to abuse from peers in the adolescent years.

      Hope this helps.

      1. That helps. Thank you for the encouraging words. Guess I need to “keep a stiff upper lip” and “nose to the grind stone” and “persevere”. I actually go through recurring stoppages, but keep coming back. Ekankar, a simplified, westernized, hybrid Hindu belief system got me started searching for something more likely than my Church of Christ upbringing. I would bet money that your work has produced the truest version of Reality/history so far. Your ”obligatory disclaimer” about modifying your understanding as you find/learn more info is the rational/best way to go. I did not fare well through the 2008-9 overlord engineered, banking,real estate,stock market rape of regular folks or I would have been sending you $ after I discovered your work in 2012. I’m still poor, drat! I am honored by your detailed, lengthy response, I would think you have significant demands on your time. Thank you and wishes of good fortune to you and Ariel (I don’t believe in luck, but do hope Murphy’s Law applies to En’Ki, Marduk & Minions Inc.) Tree Mike

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